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30 Mar 2016 08:39 #236203 by Alexandre Orion
Man ... was created by Alexandre Orion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfGMYdalClU

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30 Mar 2016 08:47 #236205 by Brick
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Our Regional Sustainability Manageress showed us this during a meeting recently! Very powerful stuff, the whole room was silent afterwards.

Though the farmers amongst us (just me then) weren't necessarily best pleased with the portrayal of the agricultural industry ;)

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30 Mar 2016 08:50 #236206 by
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We dont need an alien invasion to destroy us , we are very well capable of doing that by ourselves , its 5 to 12 already :dry:

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30 Mar 2016 09:01 #236207 by Alexandre Orion
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That wasn't an alien invasion, Marta ... That was just pointing out that we've already put out a very queer sort of 'Welcome' mat for any eventual visitors. For that matter, it shows that from the beginning, Man has not let the environment be 'welcoming' to other non-human animals. Man entered very early into and "I - It" negotiation with the world ...

... when the world "its" us back, we'll be pretty screwed. :pinch:

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30 Mar 2016 09:10 #236208 by
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She is already screwing us back, look at the nice resistent bacteria and the changing enviroment amongst other things , She will be here long after we are gone , and there will be new animals to rule the world , we are just vistitors and we are raping our host untill there is nothing left for her to do than destroy us.

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30 Mar 2016 20:12 - 30 Mar 2016 20:13 #236280 by Adder
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While people might not be able to agree if emotional intelligence exists as a real thing, I think it would be worthwhile to harness imagination to drive visualization around understanding empathy, perhaps that is what EQ should really stand for empathy quotient. Then the concept of emotional intelligence could have some baseline measurement maybe!? If people could learn early to have and respect the power of empathy, imagine!!!

Ooops looks like it already does; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathy_Quotient

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30 Mar 2016 20:30 - 30 Mar 2016 21:01 #236284 by OB1Shinobi
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this is nihilistic and genocidal and full of self loathing and condemnation

this is a vision where man must despise himself for failing to live up to the standards that only man even acknowledges exist to begin with

not to say that there was not truth in the vision that movie presented, but thats not the only possible vision

those snakes used to eat us when we were tree dwelling primates, and so too do bears even still
and elephants trample us underfoot

the fundamental nature of the universe is chaos - the basic reality of life in a chaotic universe is predation - everything must FEED, and it feeds on other life

we are prey as much as predator

or, we were

it could be said that "civilization" is mans attempt to create stability in a fundamentally hostile world

you'll get no argument from me that we can be selfish and arrogant and greedy and short sighted, and that we continue to make terrible mistakes with disastrous consequences

but so too do we see that these mistakes happen, and so too do we say "let us make no more, let us acknowledge our errors and adjust"

the desire to grow and better ourselves does not demand that we despise ourselves first

recognizing the ugliness does demand denying the beauty

the vision promoted in that film is literally that we deserve to be exterminated - that it is fair and understandable and deserved

is that really the vision you want for your own eyes?

is that the vision you want the world to believe in?

People are complicated.
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30 Mar 2016 20:42 #236286 by
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Man is a ginormous psychotic monster. Ug.

Not that I'm just realizing it, but this video localized it and set it to music :(

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30 Mar 2016 20:58 - 30 Mar 2016 21:05 #236293 by OB1Shinobi
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Snowy Aftermath wrote: Man is a ginormous psychotic monster. Ug.

Not that I'm just realizing it, but this video localized it and set it to music :(


this post exactly proves my earlier point

we have evolved from monkeys in trees to space stations and the internet

the only reason that you can feel that we are in any way a monster

is because we pulled out of our own Being the ideas of fairness and goodness as standards to which we ought to hold ourselves

if we are monsters it is only because we see that we could be great, and that we havent made it yet

thats what progress is - moving from the lesser to the better

dont blame us for the progress we havent made, join us in making the progress we can

People are complicated.
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30 Mar 2016 21:27 - 30 Mar 2016 21:27 #236296 by
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OB1Shinobi wrote:

Snowy Aftermath wrote: Man is a ginormous psychotic monster. Ug.


dont blame us for the progress we havent made, join us in making the progress we can


I'm not here to serve as your political point.

Thank you for posting this video, Maitre Orion. We need more empathy.
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