ORIGINAL SIN

I spoke with a few members on the subject. I am not looking for a full out argumentative my side is right your wrong kina thing. The idea is I asked what do you think of original sin. I heard a lot of similar thoughts from "I don't believe in sin to its not our fault to there's only one way to fix."
There is never a direct wrong or right answer ever. I ask because I want to know what other think. I thank you for the ideas you all will send. We are Jedi and I hope this thread can result the information and feelings of wanting to know not add grief or strife to those who don't need it. Savy ?

Let us begin...

I meet many here in the Temple who do not believe in original sin. My idea is that in the Force there is no idea of "sin."
Am I alone in this?
Thank you to all Jedi who answer and let us be about the build up NOT the tare down. We can all have our own ideas and beliefs. I love JEDI ISM because its syncretism allows many different ideas to co exist at the same time.

Original sin is a Christian concept... I am not Christian and don't believe in sin..

Well, if we're going with the dictionary version of sin, we could call it a transgression of divine law. An original sin, then, would be the first transgression of divine law. But what divine law is that? Here at the Temple, we define our our own views on divinity, so we would be talking about the first time we broke our own laws.

From that perspective, I would say original sin is both unavoidable and essential to development.

How can one transgress divine law they define?

The Original Sin according to Christian theology started with Adam and Eve. The term “original sin” is unknown to the Jewish Scriptures, and the Christian teachings on this doctrine are antithetical to the core principles of the Torah.
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The concept of original sin is completely foreign to Judaism and Eastern Christianity, having achieved acceptance in only the Western Church. Furthermore, Christian and Islamic concepts of sin are virtual opposites with respect to certain nuances. For example, there is no concept of “sinning in the mind” in Islam; to a Muslim, an evil thought becomes a good deed when a person refuses to act upon it. Overcoming and dismissing the evil thoughts which forever assail our minds is considered deserving of reward rather than punishment. Islamicly speaking, an evil thought only becomes sinful when acted upon.

Conceiving good deeds is more contrary to the base nature of man. Since our creation, if not bound by societal or religious restrictions, humankind has historically dined on the banquet of life with lust and abandon. The orgies of self-indulgence that have carpeted the corridors of history envelop not only individuals and small communities, but even major world powers which ate their fill of deviancy to the point of self-destruction. Sodom and Gomorrah may top most lists, but the greatest powers of the ancient world—to include the Greek, Roman and Persian empires, as well as those of Genghis Khan and Alexander the Great—certainly bear dishonorable mention. But while examples of communal decadence are innumerable, cases of individual corruption are exponentially more common.

So, good thoughts are not always the first instinct of humankind. As such, the Islamic understanding is that the very conception of good deeds is worthy of reward, even if not acted upon. When a person actually acts upon a good thought, Allah multiplies the reward even further.

The concept of original sin simply does not exist in Islam, and never has. For the Christian readers, the question is not whether the concept of original sin exists in present day, but whether it existed during the period of Christian origins. Specifically, did Jesus teach it?

Apparently not. Whoever dreamt up the concept, it certainly wasn’t Jesus, for he reportedly taught,

“Let the little children come to me, and do not forbid them, for of such is the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 19:14)

We may well wonder how “for of such” could be “the kingdom of heaven” if the unbaptized are hell‑bound. Children are either born with original sin or are bound for the kingdom of heaven. The church can’t have it both ways. Ezekiel 18:20 records,

“The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.”
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/1776/original-sin/
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In Hinduism…
ORIGINAL SIN as Hindu scriptures state is MAYA or illusion or FALSE KNOWLEDGE. Hinduism states that, the ability to discern "RIGHT AND WRONG" "GOOD & EVIL" is duality perception, which is indeed So, the HINDU MAYA is indeed the ORIGINAL SIN.

Read entire article…
http://waypub.fatcow.com/ed/whatisoriginalsin.html

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I agree very much with what Ruggad has already said on the topic. But thought I might add a few other view points on the topic. It is interesting to see how other cultures and moral systems view the same concept. To try getting a better idea of a world view on the topic, look into the Asian cultures and how, or if they even have a construct of, “original sin.”

Edan: If you take the time to write up things you will not do, and then you do them. I found it humbling. It is the first lesson in "There is no black and white".

Something like "I will never lie." and then you find yourself in a situation where not only are you willing, but it would be best for all involved that you DID lie.

I don't quite understand how that answers my question? Sin implies that the sinner should be punished... Sin has always seemed to me like a cause for fear, for self defeat... I don't accept that... I don't believe in sin..

Wescli Wardest wrote: The Original Sin according to Christian theology started with Adam and Eve. The term “original sin” is unknown to the Jewish Scriptures, and the Christian teachings on this doctrine are antithetical to the core principles of the Torah.
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The concept of original sin is completely foreign to Judaism and Eastern Christianity, having achieved acceptance in only the Western Church. Furthermore, Christian and Islamic concepts of sin are virtual opposites with respect to certain nuances. For example, there is no concept of “sinning in the mind” in Islam; to a Muslim, an evil thought becomes a good deed when a person refuses to act upon it. Overcoming and dismissing the evil thoughts which forever assail our minds is considered deserving of reward rather than punishment. Islamicly speaking, an evil thought only becomes sinful when acted upon.

Conceiving good deeds is more contrary to the base nature of man. Since our creation, if not bound by societal or religious restrictions, humankind has historically dined on the banquet of life with lust and abandon. The orgies of self-indulgence that have carpeted the corridors of history envelop not only individuals and small communities, but even major world powers which ate their fill of deviancy to the point of self-destruction. Sodom and Gomorrah may top most lists, but the greatest powers of the ancient world—to include the Greek, Roman and Persian empires, as well as those of Genghis Khan and Alexander the Great—certainly bear dishonorable mention. But while examples of communal decadence are innumerable, cases of individual corruption are exponentially more common.

So, good thoughts are not always the first instinct of humankind. As such, the Islamic understanding is that the very conception of good deeds is worthy of reward, even if not acted upon. When a person actually acts upon a good thought, Allah multiplies the reward even further.

The concept of original sin simply does not exist in Islam, and never has. For the Christian readers, the question is not whether the concept of original sin exists in present day, but whether it existed during the period of Christian origins. Specifically, did Jesus teach it?

Apparently not. Whoever dreamt up the concept, it certainly wasn’t Jesus, for he reportedly taught,

“Let the little children come to me, and do not forbid them, for of such is the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 19:14)

We may well wonder how “for of such” could be “the kingdom of heaven” if the unbaptized are hell‑bound. Children are either born with original sin or are bound for the kingdom of heaven. The church can’t have it both ways. Ezekiel 18:20 records,

“The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.”
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/1776/original-sin/
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In Hinduism…
ORIGINAL SIN as Hindu scriptures state is MAYA or illusion or FALSE KNOWLEDGE. Hinduism states that, the ability to discern "RIGHT AND WRONG" "GOOD & EVIL" is duality perception, which is indeed So, the HINDU MAYA is indeed the ORIGINAL SIN.

Read entire article…
http://waypub.fatcow.com/ed/whatisoriginalsin.html

[hr]

I agree very much with what Ruggad has already said on the topic. But thought I might add a few other view points on the topic. It is interesting to see how other cultures and moral systems view the same concept. To try getting a better idea of a world view on the topic, look into the Asian cultures and how, or if they even have a construct of, “original sin.”

Thanks you Master. A lot to think about.

It, original sin, seems to be a organized accepted idea in some sects.

The idea is I asked what do you think of original sin

sin? When we became self-aware we started making decisions that weren't as harmonious as our actions were when we were an animal reacting on instinct. Self-awareness opens the door to life's; problems, challenges and suffering. That could be called a "sin" or a" shame". Sin for me implies intentional to act incorrectly. We simply evolved but we have a need to blame our problems on something or someone else, it can't be my fault.

Edan: How interesting! For me, sin has always implied a need for forgiveness on the part of the offended party, and a willingness to improve on the part of the sinner. In this case, both roles are filled by me. How different!