Instinct or logic?

I posted that here so it will not be any problem if it is already posted somewhere in the forum.
I have a simple question according to the understanding of the force, and i can understand that can't be a simple answer for this question, so i apologize for this unfairness

So according to the understanding, the feel and (maybe) the use of the force, what is important most?
The instinct or the logic? I understand that any kind of training demands the mostly the use of logic so i do not ask for training but for our very daily life.

I wish to hear the opinions from everyone. This is not a teaching or conference
May the Force be with you all.
Robert.

I am always perplexed by what people mean by "feeling the force".

Is something wrong with your five senses?

Or is it meant in some vague, ambiguous way that cant be explained in any way, and why does that "sixth sense" have more meaning or validity (odd that) because it is so "special"

Khaos wrote: I am always perplexed by what people mean by "feeling the force".

Is something wrong with your five senses?

Or is it meant in some vague, ambiguous way that cant be explained in any way, and why does that "sixth sense" have more meaning or validity (odd that) because it is so "special"

Have i said something about 6th sense?
No i haven't. Your argument is invalid.

Exarchias wrote: So according to the understanding, the feel and (maybe) the use of the force, what is important most?

What is "the understanding of the force", "the feel of the force" and (maybe) "the use of the force"? What does it mean for a statement to be in accordance with any, either or all of these? And while we're at it, you refer to "the logic" and "the instinct" as if you meant very particular ones. Which ones are they? At this point I apologize for being a grammar-nazi I usually try and avoid being - this does though serve to illustrate how easily confusion can arise. What is your question?

Now, I'm not much of a force adept, as one might have deduced, but even remembering the days when that was different, or trying to step in the shoes of someone who is, I wouldn't even know where to begin...

There is a wonderful book on the topic you might consider.

Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman

A great deal of what we consider instinct or intuition are what is called heuristics. think of them as quick, shallow, mental short cuts. This is not to say that instincts don't exist. Only that we lump too many things into that category.

At any rate, I cannot recommend this book highly enough. Fairly accessible, but not a quick one.

For reference, talking about the Force is tricky on forums, as there is little in the way of consensus. Talking one-on-one about it is much easier. On the forums, one tends to fall into a morass of parsing and hairsplitting. Each person's relationship with the Force (or its absence) is very personal and often quite fraught. Feel free if you like, but it can go in some funny places.

I hope you can understand that i will not be worry for every word i say, neither i will try to explain every word.
I left those statements as opened sentences only to not exclude any possibility or opinion.
The term "feel" was OK.
The term "use" was open statement, bit problematic i can tell, but my priority was to avoid to exclude any opinion or believe outside the conversation on the abstract word that we/i/you/them call Force.

I hope i don't get too negative now.
If i do i apologize.

Cabur Senaar wrote: There is a wonderful book on the topic you might consider.

Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman

A great deal of what we consider instinct or intuition are what is called heuristics. think of them as quick, shallow, mental short cuts. This is not to say that instincts don't exist. Only that we lump too many things into that category.

At any rate, I cannot recommend this book highly enough. Fairly accessible, but not a quick one.

For reference, talking about the Force is tricky on forums, as there is little in the way of consensus. Talking one-on-one about it is much easier. On the forums, one tends to fall into a morass of parsing and hairsplitting. Each person's relationship with the Force (or its absence) is very personal and often quite fraught. Feel free if you like, but it can go in some funny places.

I believe that you got my question which i was not able to formulate correctly.
Any help to formulate my question properly is more that welcome

For me, logic is applied thought and instinct is a feeling.

Neither is more important than the other.

Both require training to use properly and application is circumstantial.(Though I tend to fall to instinct when I do not have enough information or time to make a logical decision.)

Both can harm as well as help.

Robert, hi friend
What are you asking ?do you wish to feel the Force? Do you wish to use the Force?

Exarchias wrote: So according to the understanding, the feel and (maybe) the use of the force, what is important most?
The instinct or the logic? I understand that any kind of training demands the mostly the use of logic so i do not ask for training but for our very daily life.

I like to think of them as part of the same process. While I make a functional distinction between conscious and subconscious I also try to actively work with them as an integrated system with trusted connections going both ways. Remembering that instinct in the untrained is often just the selfish bumblings of the persons base desires, something like a Jedi could try to have a better relationship to refine the concept of 'instinct'.

So to answer your questions, what happens when they disagree/conflict with each other - usually I seek out more information, and often this is more about changing my own perspective to existing information then going out and forcing other people to change what they are telling me
:woohoo: :pinch:
Am I avoiding the question!!!? I think if it came down to the crunch I would defer to logic, as it is most easily learned from for next time.

Khaos wrote: I am always perplexed by what people mean by "feeling the force".

Is something wrong with your five senses?

Or is it meant in some vague, ambiguous way that cant be explained in any way, and why does that "sixth sense" have more meaning or validity (odd that) because it is so "special"

I found through meditation and contemplation a capacity to experience something like a connection to data which was not derived from my senses or conscious thought. I guess most people just lose it in the noise of being themselves. Its like daydreaming, but not in thoughts, instead daydreaming in feelings. So is this a different form of self awareness or just imagination, or something else. Having exhausted its use as self awareness or imagination, I chose to explore its capacity to understand the environment or at least another interface with the subconscious.

A good basis for taking this approach is to consider that it a). it emerges from the subconscious, and b). that the subconscious has access to more information from your senses then your conscious mind ends up using.

Together those things allow that basis to develop a view that perhaps your subconscious can learn to connect to its environment in a more directed fashion. Relying less on what instincts determine as valuable, and instead extending your conscious control into the subconscious realm to modify awareness into something more useful for the modern world.

Considering the Jedi and Sith focused so much on meditation and embraced this ubiquitous connection which gave them some manifest advantage, it sort of fits the bill nicely.

But it could be just another form of imagination.... but if entertaining that view with practise you can engage and apply techniques to achieve real world outcomes, then its better called something else then imagination.