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05 Jul 2014 10:45 #151755
by Whyte Horse
Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts.
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I've been seeing reports of massive waves of refugees(50,000+) arriving at the US border from Central American countries like Honduras, Guatemala, etc. All I can find in the news is that they are children fleeing from gangs that would seek to recruit them into the drug trade and/or human trafficking like prostitution, etc.
So to deal with these people, our gov't is sending them by the busload into towns where they are promptly met by protesters who are all like "Go away beaners!!!". In a couple of days(or less) a bunch of people plan to go to the border and shut it down.
Honestly, I don't know what's going on. I really don'y trust the media and so information is really important right now. If anybody has info please hook me up because it sounds like it could be important.
Thanks
So to deal with these people, our gov't is sending them by the busload into towns where they are promptly met by protesters who are all like "Go away beaners!!!". In a couple of days(or less) a bunch of people plan to go to the border and shut it down.
Honestly, I don't know what's going on. I really don'y trust the media and so information is really important right now. If anybody has info please hook me up because it sounds like it could be important.
Thanks
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06 Jul 2014 22:22 - 06 Jul 2014 22:23 #151843
by Adder
Replied by Adder on topic Refugees from Central America
It's an interesting conundrum more broadly. Does the economic activity in the world generate enough taxes to provide a secure environment for welfare support to all people on the planet!? I don't think it could yet... too much instability, and not enough properly regulated economic activity IMO.
Until things get more peaceful and/or economic activity increases to provide a sufficient taxation stream, we might need to keep international borders to delineate different functional working areas of wealth creation (nation states). So I think nation's could rightly control who enters, else it could cripple the capacity of that nation to maintain and grow its wealth... for without wealth there will be no welfare or security, health, infrastructure etc for anyone!!
Then the question becomes how do nations which can currently afford welfare scheme's, control the numbers of recipients to remain in a position where it is affordable to continue to offer it - given the increasing numbers of people from poorer parts of the world entering, often 'illegally'.... considering economic migration is not considered a valid reason for refugee AFAIK.
Soooo when is asylum seeking actually economic migration, and how does one verify asylum claim's!! Difficult decisions about what makes a reason 'valid' for refugee status become required.
Another interesting point is how far can a person claiming to be refugee travel across the globe to claim asylum - for if they are a refugee, it is from something, and it would seem that the once removed from that something they would not need to keep traveling to pick a better location to claim asylum. So we also have the possibility of refugee's becoming economic migrants in transit. It's all a bit complicated. My first thought is that the closest safe location should handle refugee's, but depending on the nature of the crisis it might create an additional security burden on the neighbours of that crisis. So each flow of people would need to be managed on a case by case basis, and each person screened for security, health and veracity of refugee status... a big task. The entire point of the refugee system is to help the 'most needy' from escaping crisis.
At the other end of the spectrum it can almost like an invasion though, where a hypothetical failed state collapsing into criminal chaos has a large portion of its population try to move en-masse to another country... its effectively an invasion if that mass is unsustainable or uncontrollable when it arrives.
I think the crime's being fled from have to be state supported, or the state has stopped being able to provide security and has fallen into some sort of chaotic state like a civil war. I guess the argument in this case is that large gang's in Central America represent such a threat that though's state's have lost control of security. It's not a location I know much about, but I think its one of those tricky examples where it could be a blur between genuine refugee's and uncontrolled economic migration. As un-compassionate as it might sound I do think a nation has a right to control economic migration.
Until things get more peaceful and/or economic activity increases to provide a sufficient taxation stream, we might need to keep international borders to delineate different functional working areas of wealth creation (nation states). So I think nation's could rightly control who enters, else it could cripple the capacity of that nation to maintain and grow its wealth... for without wealth there will be no welfare or security, health, infrastructure etc for anyone!!
Then the question becomes how do nations which can currently afford welfare scheme's, control the numbers of recipients to remain in a position where it is affordable to continue to offer it - given the increasing numbers of people from poorer parts of the world entering, often 'illegally'.... considering economic migration is not considered a valid reason for refugee AFAIK.
Soooo when is asylum seeking actually economic migration, and how does one verify asylum claim's!! Difficult decisions about what makes a reason 'valid' for refugee status become required.
Another interesting point is how far can a person claiming to be refugee travel across the globe to claim asylum - for if they are a refugee, it is from something, and it would seem that the once removed from that something they would not need to keep traveling to pick a better location to claim asylum. So we also have the possibility of refugee's becoming economic migrants in transit. It's all a bit complicated. My first thought is that the closest safe location should handle refugee's, but depending on the nature of the crisis it might create an additional security burden on the neighbours of that crisis. So each flow of people would need to be managed on a case by case basis, and each person screened for security, health and veracity of refugee status... a big task. The entire point of the refugee system is to help the 'most needy' from escaping crisis.
At the other end of the spectrum it can almost like an invasion though, where a hypothetical failed state collapsing into criminal chaos has a large portion of its population try to move en-masse to another country... its effectively an invasion if that mass is unsustainable or uncontrollable when it arrives.
I think the crime's being fled from have to be state supported, or the state has stopped being able to provide security and has fallen into some sort of chaotic state like a civil war. I guess the argument in this case is that large gang's in Central America represent such a threat that though's state's have lost control of security. It's not a location I know much about, but I think its one of those tricky examples where it could be a blur between genuine refugee's and uncontrolled economic migration. As un-compassionate as it might sound I do think a nation has a right to control economic migration.
Last edit: 06 Jul 2014 22:23 by Adder.
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