real force users

I've felt the force before but I kinda have to pump up to a miracle, like does anyone here actually have force capabilities, I should be tested because this one day in the Basketball Gym at the YMCA I force pushed this guy completely being taken over by the force to do it to this guy, he klunked on the ground it was awesome, my arm and hand were sucked up by severe force pressure and a blast came out of my hand and knocked the guy over no crap I'm not lying to sound cool, it was just the awesomest day of my life.

Greetings

In a word..Yes. However I use it in many applications ,Tho recently I have found that Ki (the Force) is contoling all my actions.

It is when you use the Force with deliberation that one feels its warmth. IE Shai atsu draws bad energy from the body and keeps a good balance .

In my martial arts I use energy from from an attack and move it away.If one is given this energy in an attack it only polite to give it back lol.

I havn't mastered moving objects as yet. Tho I have on occasions managed to disrupt a persons aura by using the palm of my hand about an inch from their body. hasn't worked all the time. But then I am but a student in life.

Yours in the spirit of Budo

Mike

I`m sorry for spoiling the fun but this all sounds like someone has been taking some kind of hard narcotics, or has problems in discerning reality from fiction. What`s next Force lightening? Now lets phantacise that this were possible, and we are hurling things or people around the room, don`t you think it is also a part of say being a Jedi of questioning what you are doing? You felt good about this guy slamming on the ground, but did he? What makes you think he deserved this? What does such an action make you? Now really, is it not more important knowing what you are doing, why you are doing it, what consequences your actions are having than say flying around the room, frying someone with lightening etc. You know what I did resently? I stretched out both my arms took two solid steps forward and helped an old lady across the road. Now that was really cool. The energy I transmitted was so powerful that I got back the biggest smile I could possibly hope for. But then again that`s boring isn`t it, no one wants to read about that, nor would anyone put anything of the kind in a movie especially a star wars movie. But you know I felt good, she felt good, I also helped to move her from A to B, we communicated beyond words and understood each other. What more could a human being wish for?

There seems to be a misunderstanding from judahbenkenobi that the sort of "Force abilities" shown in the movies actually exist. As MikeBudo has said, the Force in reality is known by many names such as Chi or Prana. It can be used for many different applications and martials arts are one of those activities that utilise it for a purpose. But as GM Jon has said, what are the motivations for learning such things? A Jedi is not concerned with the acquisition of power but with the effect that their actions and thoughts have on everyone and eveything around him/her. OK, so a Master of Qigong (for example) can use what we call the Force to hurl someone across a room but to what end? If you're looking to achieve such things, then spent decades of your life in constant study and practice as everyone else has to. But along the way you may well find that your motivations change and that you no longer seek the ego-driven nonsense that you thought was important when you were younger.

Greetings Master Mark

I do agree with you learning to use the Force for gain is no way acceptable. There are those who would choose to benefit from that.That is not Bushido nor is it in Jediism. I for one most certainly do not. I train because I love what I do it has made me a better person ..well I hope so anyway.

Yours In budo Mike

Let us not forget though that if we don`t love ourselves then how can you love others. Sorry for the pun but there is an element of truth in it. How can Jedi give anything they don`t themselves possess? There is always personal gain, but in the hindsight of sharing this. Not only this is a Jedi traight however but the ability to keep a good grasp on reality, without it what we would have would be only hot air.

Hello Masters

If we look back in time to the Shaolin monks then we see that they could use energy to kill, push etc. But they did so only if they had no other choice. There are many accounts of this training and seeing how only those that had been training for many many years masted the ability are the only ones accounted. Even thou all the monks were taught this ability. So its not so far fetched to be able to push some one away with energy alone. But what reasoning would we to day have for learning such an ability.

For give me if I sound so nevi for saying this.

My personal experience of being saved over 10 times where I know I should have died. Moved an inch to the right and avoided a bullet, didn't step toward the waiting suspect with a knife, knew when others where around, dodged cars and trucks in traffic as if reflex. It feels as if I'm not in control, yet knowing everything is all right at the same time. Giving in to the force takes practice and mediation. The force fine tunes your senses an allows faster than normal reaction. Harnessing this gift is the journey we all must take. It's a long road.

As I said, I agree that such abilities as being able to "force push" people can be learned (search youtube for "Qigong Master" for one such practical demonstration) but this takes years of practice. Anyone spending that much time learning such arts will also learn to control themselves and learn about the wise application of power that they wouldn't want to do it just to push someone around. MikeBudo will testify to this too - anyone learning martial arts from a reputable source would be taught the ethics and responsibility of such training. Just because you an do something doesn't necessarily mean that you should.

Very interesting.... I searched "Qigong Master" on YouTube... Very Interesting....

Believe it, or not....

I believe for most of us "Force Powers" are more subtle.

More akin to a guiding intuition.

The first time I felt the force was way back in 1996, I was in culinary school, had a full time job and an awesome girlfriend.

She picked me up from the train station one day and dropped me off at work. About an hour later, I felt what I tell everyone was a disturbance in the force, A wave of unease came over me. I called my brother and asked him if he could check out my apartment. He did. He came to my work to tell me that he found my girlfriend, and one of my friends un-clothed, in my bed. I asked him to tell her parents.

This also leads up to force based rage(adrenaline). No , not a good thing. A few days later we encountered each other, allegedly I was kicked in the chest 4 times and wouldn't stop charging him.

I have never felt the Force as strong since.

Sounds like to me that you gave into hatred... Used anger as a weapon. Summoned the force to your will for a vengeful purpose. These are sith actions as well as weakness we must all at some point over come in life. A wise man once said to me "If you have to fight, you've already lost". Though your pride would have been hurt by walking away, the energy that you charged up could have been used for a positive action instead. We must, especially as Jedi, harness our energies and turn the negative into positive. Bring Peace and Love into ANY situation. Your actions were not selfless and in service to others. You thought only inward about how YOU felt. I am not saying the situation was not a bad one. It was natural to feel upset. It's how we deal with these issues that makes us better than that. One other thing. You must learn to let go of your attachments to meaningless things. A cheating girlfriend is not meaningful. Your attachment to her became not just attachment but possession. If you did not think this way, you would not have fought. As humans as well as animals of this planet, it's in our nature to protect and preserve that which is OURS. She was not yours to fight over. She is a free individual with a will of her own. Just as you have your own will. Then there is the will of the Force. If you would have put aside your feelings and listened to the force, you would not have attacked. Good luck in future endeavors and try to choose your companions more wisely in the future.

I admitted in my post it wasn't a good thing.
This thread was about using the force with no specifics on what aspect.
I understand the points you make in your post, but I feel that you should have left it in a private message to me instead of judging me as you did.
I am also much older now , and more in control of things.
Thank you for your input.

And now back to our thread, currently in progress.

The dark side is in us all, it is a trial that we constantly over come. The rush of energy you felt, you are not alone. People experience jealously, rage, hatred, anger, and love. In very different ways. If you were truly broken hearted, your path could have been altered . However here you remain. Not the alternative. Thus yes you could have had a brush with the darkside, luckily your training prevented the change and again here you reman. Folks a Jedi is not immune to emotion as per the old code. Rather intune with peace, and the awareness that bad things can and do happen. Jedi acusing other Jedi of turning to he darkside is not the way. The force shows fact in it's existence everyday. It's how we interpret that manifestation, united.

Further more I believe in times we all must fight. "for Evil to triumph, all good men need to do is Nothing."
Ww1 ww2 Police soldiers mothers fathers , all found just cause to fight for something true no?
I could be wrong, to each thier own.

Right, wrong, indifferent; even if someone had not spent the great part of their life dedicated to learning how to have an such immediate physical impact with metaphysical energy, and just happened to have a very "lucky" one in a billion moment of "accidental" discovery like this; even still if the one shoved was "ok" with it; there is still the point of the matter that this supposedly happened during a basketball game (please forgive the assumption); I don't personally feel like it is very sporting. Not that there is any rule in basketball against such a thing, it's still not very cool in the sport of competition, as I see it.

When your girlfriend jumped into bed with you friend, she then took responsiblity of her actions and the actions that followed there after. You weren't responible for the course of events that she set in place.

In my opinon...

In the end, we are all responsible, ultimatly, for our actions...

We can attribute, or blame, them on an outside stimuli... But this is why many of us are here, to learn to control the 'fly off the handel' responses we have grown used to making excuses for...

So many Journals here, begin:

"I came here hoping someone will show me how to stop being angry"

It was one of the things, I myself hoped for... It worked, somewhat, for me...

Just my thoughts...

The Force is always in everything we do and we cannot separate our emotional responses from such a connection. Those moments in which we feel most alive are those in which we experience the Force at its most intense. Some situations are more involved than others and I'm sure we all know the feeling of rage and how powerful it can make us feel at the time. I hope that we have all also known the power of a moment of joy when staring at a sunset or gazing into the face of someone we love. These are the more subtle moments of recognising the Force.

The teachings and guidance offered at this Temple (and at other sites in the Jediism community) aim to provide support for us in those times when we lose control and our actions are spontaneous and irrational as a reulst of our experiences. Flying off the handle and hitting someone, being lost in passion and sleeping with someone too soon, these are just two examples of those times.

We shouldn't berate ourselves for doing these things because we're learning about ourselves and about life. In our more rational moments we can consider the actions that we have taken and maybe decide that we should have done things differently. If a similar situation arises in future, maybe we would take the other path instead. Through study, meditation, self-reflection and a quest for understanding ourselves and others, we can hope to reach a state of being where all of our actions are considered and made with wisdom. It's a neverending journey but that's the Jedi way.

So let us have compassion and tolerance for the mistakes we make and the trauma we inflict on ourselves and others. Make amends where we can, build bridges if possible, but always strive to act with a pure heart and a respect for all living things, ourselves included.

Something else to note, and not to discredit you MikeBudo, but even a Ki/Chi master cannot always push someone with Ki/Chi. If the person has a strong enough belief against the move, they can effectively counter it without the slightest bit of motion involved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z0_n7tGnK0 (National Geographic Study)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar1yXYOsxQk (News Study-which offers explanations)

It was all in the game and everyone just kept playing like nothing happened, which still doesn't lead me to beleive I was hallucinating, I beleive I know what is real and what isn't. Our adrenaline was pumping and I'm sure since we fall a lot during basketball games the kid wasn't hurt, it was awesome to me because I've always wanted to have power to defend good from evil and I think I was in tune that day more than any other day. Every day I see and hear signs in every day things maybe because I"m looking for them but I do think it shows the Force is there for me. One small force push that was partially me and partially the Force, after I forced pushed him over I felt like I was in the Jedi Temple and I was just training with other Jedi, noone got hurt, we just kept playing. Weird I know and unbeleivable to the ears but hey, it's my crowning acheivement. Thanks for your comments bye