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Prefix Titles for Knights (Male / Female)

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30 Jan 2013 13:39 - 30 Jan 2013 14:08 #92121 by Proteus
I was looking at the list of Knights on here and a thought went through my head when I was reading the names with "Knight" preceding them.

Could the Knights of TOTJO technically use "Sir" (male), and "Lady" (female) as prefixes?

For example

"Sir Wescli Wardest"

or

"Lady V-Tog"

(Optionally, many of the members' real names seem to sound wonderful with these prefixes too ;) )

Would or could these be considered correct prefixes for TOTJO Knights?

Could this legally, or otherwise (in whatever official way) be used out in the world when referring to one's position in TOTJO?

Just curious. :)

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30 Jan 2013 13:46 #92123 by
That would be a good idea in my opinion...Sir Proteus ;)

I guess you 'could' use it but not 'legally' ? We'd have to see what Br. John says.

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30 Jan 2013 14:50 #92130 by Ben
Haha I don't remember anyone asking that before!

I would guess not, but I have no idea really...

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30 Jan 2013 15:43 #92139 by MCSH
Sounds nice, but it makes talks tooooooooo official.

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30 Jan 2013 16:36 #92143 by
It wouldn't be legally binding. Only Specific organisations recognised by the government can issue people with 'proper' knighthoods

TotJO can create Reverends and give out degrees of divinity but that's it

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30 Jan 2013 18:05 #92163 by RyuJin
i thought women that were knighted were known as Dame ?

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30 Jan 2013 20:32 #92217 by ren

Akkarin wrote: It wouldn't be legally binding. Only Specific organisations recognised by the government can issue people with 'proper' knighthoods

TotJO can create Reverends and give out degrees of divinity but that's it


I'd like to see the government interfere with a church's internal affairs.

Plus, this is the UK. You can change your legal name to "Sir Arthur Pendragon".

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30 Jan 2013 20:38 #92219 by
As ren mentioned, you can call yourself whatever you want but that doesn't mean it will be recognised by anyone else!

The use of such prefixes are regulated by each country and recognised internationally as a result. We can only issue the prefix of "Reverend" and the suffix of "OCP" as standard.

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30 Jan 2013 20:50 - 30 Jan 2013 20:51 #92227 by Proteus
So what about the title of "Knight" used now? Is it simply a TOTJO exclusive title then?

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30 Jan 2013 20:54 #92230 by
It's not a title as such, but a way of mentioning rank. It's in no way compulsory.

For instance, you could call me "Grandmaster Mark" but there's really no need to! :D

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30 Jan 2013 20:57 #92233 by Proteus
Ah yes. That is true.

Then I suppose that would leave out any technical justification for "sir" and "lady" that I can think of beyond just another way to optionally address someone of a knight rank honorably. :)

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30 Jan 2013 21:06 #92238 by

Mark Anjuu wrote: It's not a title as such, but a way of mentioning rank. It's in no way compulsory.

For instance, you could call me "Grandmaster Mark" but there's really no need to! :D


Only in the bedroom eh Mark?

Although I do think we should be able to address knights via Sir? I.e. Sir Akkarin/Sir Michael? Even if it's between us...I think it'd add more of a seriousness about us...but then again we're all brothers and sisters here...so it's quite relaxed....

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30 Jan 2013 21:14 #92239 by

Metsu Desal wrote: Only in the bedroom eh Mark?


Oh, I have a very different set of titles for then.... :P

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30 Jan 2013 21:22 - 30 Jan 2013 21:24 #92241 by Proteus
What if we use the idea within some kind of ceremonial light, even if it's only ever used then?

Example: During the Knighting Ceremony, at or near the end, you could say "I now dub thee Sir/Lady [such and such]"

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30 Jan 2013 21:28 #92243 by
Again, we don't really have the right to award such titles....

"In the British honor system the knightly style of Sir is accompanied by the given name, and optionally the surname.....
Outside the British honours system it is usually considered improper to address a knighted person as 'Sir' or 'Dame'."

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30 Jan 2013 21:31 #92245 by Proteus
Oh, ok. lol

I understand now.

Thanks!

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30 Jan 2013 21:36 #92247 by Jestor
As I love conversation, and being a pain...

And as an American, I feel I have the right to say and do what ever I damn well please, let me ask...

(just kidding)

What give the British the excluvsive right?

Seriously, Im just curious...

I am hoping as a dumb uneducated, colonist, to understand this part...

(seriously, why is this the only authority?)

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30 Jan 2013 21:40 #92250 by
We (the UK) are not the only authority, It's just that we are the ones that mainly use such titles as part of our honours system. Some of our "Commonwealth" adopt them too but you guys broke away long ago! :D

As an extra note of trivia: in the UK, ordained Ministers cannot use the prefix "Sir" or "Dame" when they achieve a sufficient honour unless they were ordained after their Knighting.

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30 Jan 2013 21:47 #92254 by Jestor
Cant we call the Queen Momma and ask her for a special disposition?

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30 Jan 2013 21:48 #92255 by
We have a queen...without a king and/or queen there can not be knights...because of medieval times...America has no king or queen Jestor...

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