A-Div and B-Div

So my understanding is that one can achieve the A-Div here through the apprentice process as a separate thing than achieving Knight. Meaning a student can earn the A-Div but not Knighthood. My question is can the student go on and earn the B-Div as well without the rank? My understanding is that the B-Div is a self guided and paced process but can it be earned without being a Knight and if so how is that done?

The requirements for the Degree Scheme have changed over the years. (Like for instance, you used to could get a Doctorate of Divinity, tho they don’t give it out anymore).

So, hopefully, we can get an official answer.

Also: this thread may help answer some qs. https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Degree-Qualification-Scheme/31483-details-of-the-degree-qualification-scheme

Zephyrus wrote:
Also: this thread may help answer some qs. https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Degree-Qualification-Scheme/31483-details-of-the-degree-qualification-scheme

Is that thread in a restricted forum? I cant see it.

Hey Zephyrus that link is broken for me.

I think it could be a simply matter of copying and pasting the post in that thread... but I won't do it myself, because im not sure if its okay to do that just yet.

Can someone who does know if thats alright do that please, if they can?

But, honestly, reading it... it does seem it could be possible for a non-knight to get the B-Div. Though, if memory serves, one needs a Senior Knight to oversee the process. So, I guess, if one could find a senior knight willing to do that, it could be possible.

Ahhh crumbs! It might very well be restricted. Um, here’s basically the answer to your question according to that thread:

A Div. 200 pts (IP and Apprenticeship)
B Div. 400 pts (but is only open to Knights and above...) — I’m honestly not sure why that is, sorry.
M Div. 400 pts. + completion of the seminary.

It seems like access to lessons for B Div. is only open to those with Knighthood permissions. All lessons must be approved by the Degree Scheme Admins.

Proposed solutions: either allow the Degree Scheme to be opened on a case by case basis for individuals following an interview or just open the Degree Scheme to anybody.

Of course, the Council may elect to have the degrees remain locked behind rank. That’s their prerogative, of course.

Thanks for the info!

I would love to hear from someone in authority on this matter. Can a holder of the A-Div proceed to the B-Div and if so what is the process?

If it is restricted to just Knights, then the answer to why people pursue Knighthood becomes obvious. If you cant move on in training without the rank then the rank becomes a requirement.

Speak with RyuJin. The Degree Scheme Admin. Maybe he'll pop in to answer

Rosalyn J wrote: Speak with RyuJin. The Degree Scheme Admin. Maybe he'll pop in to answer

I sent him a PM with a link to this thread!

Currently the bdiv is still entwined with knighthood. It's something that myself and few others would like to undo seeing as some would like to pursue the degree without knighthood, and others would like to pursue knighthood without the degree...

RyuJin wrote: Currently the bdiv is still entwined with knighthood. It's something that myself and few others would like to undo seeing as some would like to pursue the degree without knighthood, and others would like to pursue knighthood without the degree...

Are there any plans to un-entwine them? Or any progress on that, or is it more of a pipe dream sort of thing right now? I'm wondering if its something that we can have an expectation to pursue in the near future or not?

There is no minimum rank requirement to access the degree scheme. If you do not have access to the relevant forum, request a copy of the lessons pool from the degree scheme admin.

ren wrote: There is no minimum rank requirement to access the degree scheme. If you do not have access to the relevant forum, request a copy of the lessons pool from the degree scheme admin.

Ok but this seems like conflicting info to what ryujun posted. He said B-Div was entwined with knighthood.

So can those of us that have the A-Div move on and work on and compete the higher degree without being a knight?

If so what are the requirements for this beyond the points? It sounds like there is a lesson pool? Are lessons from that pool required for credit?

If there are no hard and fast rules yet I would like to work with the edu-admin and volunteer as a Guinea pig student to work through and develop that process with them.

If that is something that is acceptable can someone contact me to discuss the details of this?

Hi Kyrin,

Can I connect you with RyuJin? He is the Degree Scheme Admin. Answering questions like these is his job

Sure Ros, thanks. I sent him a PM but havent heard back yet and I also thought I'd post inquiries here for all that are curious can see.

Not a problem. Maybe RyuJin will pop in to answer

Rosalyn J wrote: Not a problem. Maybe RyuJin will pop in to answer

So I have never heard back from ryujin. Has he been around?

He has been around. He drives a truck. So maybe his internet is a bit wonky.

There's quite a bit that needs to be sorted out with the degree system...consolidating all the lesson lists, clearing up all the info etc...

The lesson pool is a list of approved degree lessons.
You can study the b.div.