Reintroducing the Crystal code.

Dear Jedi,

I have wrote a lesson about the Crystal code. I want it in the Initiate program. I think it is the best to ask for the opinion of the temple. I hope that it will give the council a better opinion to reintroduce the code or to do it not.

The code teach us about pureness within the two choices of life, some call it slaying our dragon, others call it the hero`s Journey. The crystal code is a code of pureness during the choices made by our very own beings as one of the main lesson. The code shows us also the whole and the quest of Jediism, learn to make the pure choice to.

I do not see the reason why it should not be part of the basic study of a Novice. It is like asking a Novice to not understand the deep meaning of the code. I wonder why people did not ask much about Jediism, as me was told. It is like asking the community to do not ask about Jediism. It is the same as not accepting the code within the Initiate program.


Do you believe that the Crystal code is important for the Initiate program? And why do you think that it is important or not?

Please read my journal part bevore answering the question
''Aqua`s Journal: Lesson 1: Myth: Part 6 - Masks of Eternity :Removed Lesson: Crystal code''

Click here to see the lesson I have written in my journal.


thanks for the patience of reading it, and answering it.

May the force be with the temple, her lessons and students,

~Aqua

I do not speak for the council, this is only my opinion. But every lesson jediism cannot be included in the IP, you guys would never finish it. So decisions were made, on what to keep and what could be more fully covered during an apprenticeship (which is much more thorough btw). So no need to get offended that that particular lesson isn't in there.

I think, in addition to what Desolous has said..

...There's nothing stopping you doing extra work.. I regularly do more than is assigned to me because I get something out of it. If you get something out of the Crystal Code, then great, do it.

Edan wrote: I think, in addition to what Desolous has said..

...There's nothing stopping you doing extra work.. I regularly do more than is assigned to me because I get something out of it. If you get something out of the Crystal Code, then great, do it.

Exactly what i was going to say...

Desolous wrote: I do not speak for the council, this is only my opinion. But every lesson jediism cannot be included in the IP, you guys would never finish it. So decisions were made, on what to keep and what could be more fully covered during an apprenticeship (which is much more thorough btw). So no need to get offended that that particular lesson isn't in there.

You have a good point after thinking about it :side: Thought that it was fully rejected. . . :blush:

So it was removed to be added on a other part of the journey? One side I can understand it because it is quite tricky to catch the meaning of the code.. other side it is quite a basic point in Jediism I guess.. I have a bit of a double feeling

But thanks for the explanation of the removal.

As much as I love the Crystal Code, Des is right.

I'm in the Air Force. We have Core Values and an Airman ' s Creed that I wrote about in my IP because I felt it was important for me and who I am. the IP is to benefit the Initiate after all. There's all sorts of extra reflections and meditations in my journal.

And on that note, I'm not even sure what the crystal code says. You did try and illuminate it more in your journal entry and it is quite intriguing indeed. However, I do have trouble seeing the connection between what it says, as much metaphor as may be involved, and what you concluded what it says we should do or be. In fact, even if we were to grant that purity of choice would be one of the major teachings of the crystal code, that neither directs us in any particular or vague way, like "Passion, yet serenity" would, nor gifts us with a perspective of any significant aspect of our world, like "There is no chaos; there is harmony" does.
I would personally even go so far as to say that I don't know what you mean by "pure choice". Is it a definitive choice? One that we make without looking back thereafter? That's pure, I suppose, and to some extent there is some value to it, when one thinks of all the beating we give ourselves for making choices we regret. On the other hand, the code doesn't tell us what choice to make or what guideline to follow, but only to make it pure. That means that even if we make a wrong or evil choice, and have no second thoughts about it, that would still be a pure one. I think we should have rimorse. We should think about the past for we can learn valuable things from it to apply in the choices at our hands and those yet ahead of us alike.
There is some thought to be had looking over this code, but I think that the discussion or perhaps the guidance of a training master is what really makes it worth while. You can do it on your own and you can talk to your fellow Jedi about it. I doubt it would contribute much as a suggested, much less a required part of the IP however, just judging by how vastly vague and ambiguous it is and how little use most interpretations could squeeze out of it. The same use is also be much more accessible from other codes and other IP material.

You could always sign up for an open sermon and have it posted then. It would be available for all Jedi, from the newest member to the returning seasoned Knight to read.

I don't know how the crystal code ever got into the IP, but it was never a part of jediism, as the crystal code is a fairly recent star wars creation.

Gisteron wrote: And on that note, I'm not even sure what the crystal code says. You did try and illuminate it more in your journal entry and it is quite intriguing indeed. However, I do have trouble seeing the connection between what it says, as much metaphor as may be involved, and what you concluded what it says we should do or be. In fact, even if we were to grant that purity of choice would be one of the major teachings of the crystal code, that neither directs us in any particular or vague way, like "Passion, yet serenity" would, nor gifts us with a perspective of any significant aspect of our world, like "There is no chaos; there is harmony" does.
I would personally even go so far as to say that I don't know what you mean by "pure choice". Is it a definitive choice? One that we make without looking back thereafter? That's pure, I suppose, and to some extent there is some value to it, when one thinks of all the beating we give ourselves for making choices we regret. On the other hand, the code doesn't tell us what choice to make or what guideline to follow, but only to make it pure. That means that even if we make a wrong or evil choice, and have no second thoughts about it, that would still be a pure one. I think we should have rimorse. We should think about the past for we can learn valuable things from it to apply in the choices at our hands and those yet ahead of us alike.
There is some thought to be had looking over this code, but I think that the discussion or perhaps the guidance of a training master is what really makes it worth while. You can do it on your own and you can talk to your fellow Jedi about it. I doubt it would contribute much as a suggested, much less a required part of the IP however, just judging by how vastly vague and ambiguous it is and how little use most interpretations could squeeze out of it. The same use is also be much more accessible from other codes and other IP material.

Aqua: ,,The crystal is symbol of purity ( purity in the way of balance, JingYang)''
about pureness.. So far I understand the symbolic or pureness.. pureness is like absolute uncorrupted, uncorrupted by duality, between Jing and Yang.. in balance, no more from one than from the other..

Jediism as the journey of purity,
Jediism as the journey of balance,
Jediism as the journey of the choice that will not affect. An state of enlightenment were you understand that duality is an physical way of seeing en seeing everything as one big whole.. It is true in the physical of course, but enlightenment as being closer to the spiritual.. an spiritual unity where the duality does not matter anymore

I guess that is what purity means for me personally at the moment.

Hope that it will answer your question

Jamie Stick wrote: You could always sign up for an open sermon and have it posted then. It would be available for all Jedi, from the newest member to the returning seasoned Knight to read.

Love the idea , guess it is not for me to say if it will be added, or parts of it.

I like the idea of having things like this in Open Sermons...

If you like it to be posted pm me

Aqua wrote:

Jamie Stick wrote: You could always sign up for an open sermon and have it posted then. It would be available for all Jedi, from the newest member to the returning seasoned Knight to read.

Love the idea , guess it is not for me to say if it will be added, or parts of it.

It is, actually up to you...

If you would like, please message Alexandre Orion, or Akkarin for consideration as a sermon/lecture...

ren wrote: I don't know how the crystal code ever got into the IP, but it was never a part of jediism, as the crystal code is a fairly recent star wars creation.

Probably because there was someone like me who has too much love for codes and creeds got it in there I think it really is a beautifully worded piece of text but it is heavily related to the Fictional Jedi and it's quite a bit of a stretch to make it pertain to the real Jedi.

Kamizu wrote:

ren wrote: I don't know how the crystal code ever got into the IP, but it was never a part of jediism, as the crystal code is a fairly recent star wars creation.

Probably because there was someone like me who has too much love for codes and creeds got it in there I think it really is a beautifully worded piece of text but it is heavily related to the Fictional Jedi and it's quite a bit of a stretch to make it pertain to the real Jedi.

mm.. I am wondering, someone must have told the first myth.. does it mean it is not true, or maybe I have to ask it different.. do words or creeds get more important in value if it is older?

That something is or.. was introduced does not mean that it is less important.. Personally I see the crystal code as some kind of basic knowledge. But I see it also as a advanced lesson and as no lesson..

The point is it could be all three.. It just depends on what it is worth for your own path.

Jestor wrote:

Aqua wrote:

Jamie Stick wrote: You could always sign up for an open sermon and have it posted then. It would be available for all Jedi, from the newest member to the returning seasoned Knight to read.

Love the idea , guess it is not for me to say if it will be added, or parts of it.

It is, actually up to you...

If you would like, please message Alexandre Orion, or Akkarin for consideration as a sermon/lecture...

Forgive me, your words are true and it is up to me. I shall send a pm including the lecture with the request, hope it will be of some use for people who love to study the crystal code in the future.

Understand that there are people who do not see the value of this information. Guess that I just have to say that there are no final questions nor answers at the end of the lecture, I should be more neutral of my minding.. is something for me to work on I guess.

Aqua wrote:

Kamizu wrote:

ren wrote: I don't know how the crystal code ever got into the IP, but it was never a part of jediism, as the crystal code is a fairly recent star wars creation.

Probably because there was someone like me who has too much love for codes and creeds got it in there I think it really is a beautifully worded piece of text but it is heavily related to the Fictional Jedi and it's quite a bit of a stretch to make it pertain to the real Jedi.

mm.. I am wondering, someone must have told the first myth.. does it mean it is not true, or maybe I have to ask it different.. do words or creeds get more important in value if it is older?

That something is or.. was introduced does not mean that it is less important.. Personally I see this as some kind of basic knowledge. But I see it also as a advanced lesson and as no lesson..

The weird thing is It could be all three.. It just depends on what it is worth for your own path.

lol I just want to point out that I said I love codes and creeds . The Airman's Creed is a very recent addition and I like it lots. It was introduced in 2007 (after I joined)

Just in case you're curious (and because I love it ) Here it is:


Anyways BAACK on topic To me the Crystal Code is about unity. If you go back to the symbolism of the sword, the sword is an extension of one's being. The Crystal Code seems to reflect that. I love symbolism and myth. When I'm not called to this one I spend most of my time in a dream world lol. I really do love the Crystal Code and many other mantras but as far as IP goes, I still feel that there are other codes and creeds that more readily pertain to real Jedi as a whole without jumping through a lot of linking symbolism to make it viable. It was written as a mantra for the Fictional Jedi students. At one point in their 'history', teachers would recite the Crystal Code as the student constructed their lightsaber (if the student wasn't building it in private) It was never intended as a part of Jediism and more difficult to adapt to the now, unlike the Jedi Code (also made for Fictional Jedi but much more relatable). And when a church is trying to maintain somewhat of a separation between the fiction and reality, things pertaining directly to lightsabers tend to get dropped. I understand why it's not in the IP and it's not a deal-breaker to me. As much as I love it, I still don't find it necessary for an Initiate's studies and I don't think it's basic studies.

Now, please don't get me wrong! If the Crystal Code catches your heart then by all means, run with it! I do! Inspiration comes from all sorts of places. The IP has changed a few times since I've started and I remember looking forward to going over the Crystal Code when I got there but I don't remember doing it so I think it was changed while I was in-progress. I did think of doing it myself anyways and got distracted Maybe I'll go back and do it again anyways.... And if I don't I'm sure Master Wescli may make me now that I've mentioned it :whistle:

If I felt things get more value as they get older I wouldn't call myself a Jedi there are much much much older religions out there. I find value in things that capture my imagination and/or work for me. Myth, song, stories, creeds/codes, symbolism, whatever. One of the codes I find very useful in my life is only 46 years old and came out of a fiction book. (Litany Against Fear from Dune by Frank Herbert) In fact I included it in my last lesson

There is no reason why the Crystal Code couldn't be re-added to the IP. Jestor says that each cause/request needs its champion and he is right. If this cause is something you really support then champion it. If enough people want this then get together and make a proposal of some sorts, but it takes more than one person to like an idea if you want to get that idea implemented.

Akkarin wrote: There is no reason why the Crystal Code couldn't be re-added to the IP. Jestor says that each cause/request needs its champion and he is right. If this cause is something you really support then champion it. If enough people want this then get together and make a proposal of some sorts, but it takes more than one person to like an idea if you want to get that idea implemented.

Understandable, I would love to see it in the IP and I am glad to champion it.

I see the Crystal code not as an idea, or as a principle. There is a basic reason that it is called a code, if not it would not be a code..

A code contains the basic lesson on witch other lessons are build. The Crystal code shows us also the whole and explains us that the whole is the sword and the crystal. The whole as a connection between the duality and balance. The crystal code shows us the relation between the physical and the mental. A lesson that I consider a fundament hidden in the Crystal code.
The Initiate program is a fundament to.. :blush: The Jedi creed is a fundament and the Jedi code is a fundament..

The Crystal Code could be put in Lesson 5: Temple Doctrine, but that might require that it's part of the doctrine on the doctrine page. Is it covered during apprenticeship? If so then I'd say that's good enough for me.

I like the Crystal Code and think it's worth learning about but if it can't be added to the IP that's okay with me so long as we learn about it.