Should we kill healthy people for their organs?

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03 Mar 2013 11:07 #96482 by ren

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03 Mar 2013 17:15 #96497 by Gisteron
Don't get me wrong, but medicine, and especially such that prolongs life that would have ended without, is technically a battle against the rule of the survival of the fittest. If however we start killing healthy people to safe or fail trying to safe sick ones, what good would we do to the flow of evolution or our own consciences except for that we would slow down the growth of human population on earth?
Again, don't get me wrong: There are other reasons not to do it other than that it would deal less good than damage. I just thought that a utilitaristic view on the question would give the same result while being pseudo-rational to some degree.

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03 Mar 2013 18:26 #96507 by ren
The fact we allow the unfit to thrive will bite us real hard. (it's already started actually).

Even our focus on prolonging our lives is unhealthy imo: what's the point of living longer if it will necessarily involve a great many drugs, mental illness, and what I perceive to be the imprisonment of undesirables for their own protection in expensive care homes?

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03 Mar 2013 20:02 #96516 by RyuJin
I'm all for national geriatric hunting day....if only I could get it approved.... :woohoo:

And yes I agree all the meds we use to prolong unhealthy lives does indeed stifle evolution since it enables genetic defects that are detrimental to thrive rather than become extinct...

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03 Mar 2013 20:27 #96520 by

RyuJin wrote: meds we use to prolong unhealthy lives does indeed stifle evolution since it enables genetic defects that are detrimental to thrive rather than become extinct...


It does however create a lot of genetic variety which will likely allow for unexpected resistance to certain viral strains that might be very damaging to a large proportion of humans (speaking from a virology point of view)

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03 Mar 2013 20:44 #96524 by RyuJin
True, that is always a possibility....genetic variety is needed to establish stronger immune systems...this is not lost on me as we used to run a pitbull breeding kennel....we would always bring in males from outside gene pools to ensure healthy/strong pups...but we were also certain to verify there were no genetic defects that would be detrimental if passed on...a pup with a weak immune system is bound to die...if it's kept alive through meds than that weakness gets passed on...genetics are fun...

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03 Mar 2013 23:16 #96533 by ren

RyuJin wrote: I'm all for national geriatric hunting day....if only I could get it approved.... :woohoo:

And yes I agree all the meds we use to prolong unhealthy lives does indeed stifle evolution since it enables genetic defects that are detrimental to thrive rather than become extinct...


old people don't pose a threat to evolution. The people who reproduce do though.

It does however create a lot of genetic variety which will likely allow for unexpected resistance to certain viral strains that might be very damaging to a large proportion of humans (speaking from a virology point of view)


Care to provide examples? because it would seem many mental issues accompany defective immune systems... Even allergies are caused by over-active immune systems. When it comes to fighting off bugs, we created the big bad guys that now threaten us, suggesting stupidity is a problem. Damn I forgot we cultivate stupidity as well.
The end is nigh. :S

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04 Mar 2013 13:46 #96577 by Wescli Wardest
The unnatural continuation of individual life and medical harnessing of body parts doesn’t concern me as much as our inability to slow the reproductive pattern of most. Having more people that live longer... without some check or balance to our own population we run the serious risk of destroying ourselves.

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February 22, 2011 – LONDON - A growing, more affluent population competing for ever scarcer resources could make for an “unrecognizable” world by 2050, researchers warned at a major U.S. science conference Sunday. The United Nations has predicted the global population will reach seven billion this year, and climb to nine billion by 2050, “with almost all of the growth occurring in poor countries, particularly Africa and South Asia,” said John Bongaarts of the non-profit Population Council. To feed all those mouths, “we will need to produce as much food in the next 40 years as we have in the last 8,000,” said Jason Clay of the World Wildlife Fund at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS). “By 2050 we will not have a planet left that is recognizable” if current trends continue, Clay said. The swelling population will exacerbate problems, such as resource depletion, said John Casterline, director of the Initiative in Population Research at Ohio State University. But incomes are also expected to rise over the next 40 years — tripling globally and quintupling in developing nations — and add more strain to global food supplies. People tend to move up the food chain as their incomes rise, consuming more meat than they might have when they made less money, the experts said. It takes around seven pounds (3.4 kilograms) of grain to produce a pound of meat, and around three to four pounds of grain to produce a pound of cheese or eggs, experts told AFP. “More people, more money, more consumption, but the same planet,” Clay told AFP, urging scientists and governments to start making changes now to how food is produced. -Discovery News


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04 Mar 2013 16:44 #96604 by ren
I don't think food is going to be such a big problem. we have plenty of space to produce food on. It's just a matter of producing it. and by space, I don't mean forests. When I was born we were just 5 billion. now, we're 7 billion. I'm pretty sure that food-wise, we can have another 2 billion.

It's the pollution that worries me. we're making our environment increasingly toxic to ourselves.

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04 Mar 2013 17:04 #96614 by
Sooner or later, population control be more than just an idea. Many would like to not think about it at all, but sooner or later, if the human race is going to at least try to get a handle on things, we will be forced to do more than conaider it. The poorer populations are consuming, yet are not producing anything except more mouths to feed. Sooner or later things WILL come to a grinding halt. What are we leaving for our children, a planetary ecosystem to fix, infratructure to rebuild, and more mouths to feed...

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