Physical Temples

LOL, I was relating to which "country" the majority of members were located. I fully understand that with only a few hundred (if that) members, trying to find a decent sized group of members in any one location is pretty redundant...

In regards to the personal info bit, well if someone chose to steal my identity...they'd be doing me a favor :laugh: besides I've googled my name and found hundreds of others with the exact same name, spelling and all...and if they were to try and find me to cause some sort of harm....well best of luck with that, hope they bring an army and pack a lunch because I'm never more than a few inches from a weapon and I'm always ready to teach someone the error of their ways :evil:

Back on topic, there would have to be a temple in each country to avoid any sort of alienation due to geographical location...in a way the online temple is superior in terms of range...admittedly I would love to go to a physical temple.... (i'd have to be dragged away :laugh: ) maybe when teleportation is possible we can build one grand temple...teleportation or hypertravel

V-Tog wrote: I actually removed my exact location from my profile a couple of months ago, largely for the reasons that you listed.

I've since done that. There was a policy question I had to get clarified; once I got the answer I needed, I made the changes as appropriate.

There are times when it's nice to have a super-common combination of names, EXCEPT: I also match a no-fly lister. I had a hell of a time getting back from Japan in 2006; I guess that crew never went through an identity verification sequence before. They were scared I was actually plotting something; security was summoned and standing [they thought] out of my field of vision.

RyuJin wrote: Back on topic, there would have to be a temple in each country to avoid any sort of alienation due to geographical location...

Good point, Ryujin. I dunno that it wouldn't be better to just set up little shops (to cover that issue), then let each build up to its own full-sized temple at its own pace.

Teleporter? Ugh, the abuse it would be used for ....

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Me first!

This is a building designed using 20' shipping containers. It uses 60 containers total. 15 per floor. My original thoughts were to have the first floor be for some small businesses like a coffee shop, sandwich shop, smoothies, whole foods grocery, etc. The second floor would be the holistic training institue. The platform you see on the 2nd floor would be the dojo, and the rooms around it would be locker rooms, work out equipment, and offices for personal trainer/adviser/physical therapist. The third and fourth floor would be micro apartments. They would have to be applied for and people would be able to stay based on needs and purpose for staying there. (much more about this) The framwork in the center between floors 2 and 3 is made from wooden beams and will have hanging (food) plants hopefully bordering each beam to give more privacy to the dojo below but allow sunlight from the skylight type celing (which might be a geodesic dome ). Lights for the dojo are also attached underneath the beam structure with dimming capabilities for setting the mood for meditation sessions.

Anyway, here are some pictures...


















(had some troubles with the pics, but there they are)


This last image is from the 4th floor balcony looking down at the (eventually) plant covered beams. As you can see, the railings are made with plant trays that run around the circumference of each floor. The top is a standard hand rail.



This would be my take on the urban micro temple idea. It can still handle quite a number of people but isn't a multi-million dollar project. In fact, it should be quite inexpensive for what all it would offer. A key feature being its repeatability. Once the initial work has been done for the first one (including building construction and inspections, liability issues, and what not) more of these could be built wherever the land could be found. Granted there being slight variances from state to state and country to country. But already having one up and running can help alot when it comes to getting permissions to build somewhere else.

Some additional notes of design;
- Two containers per floor (on opposite sides) will be converted to stairwells.
- The outside ends of the containers will be closed off with double pane window with solar shades between the panes. (or that's what I'd like to do.)
- On the second floor, about two of the containers would be mostly empty with a large flat pannel TV on one wall. There people can follow yoga, tai chi, ect instructional videos any time of day with as few or as many people you want. That way there's no need to adhere to set class times for everything. These rooms could also be rented out on first come first serve basis for quiet meditation or LED TV guided meditation. Seat cushions are in the equipment container.
- I would also like to use one container and sub divide it into sound proof closets for meditation. Being about 5 separate rooms in that one container. Each would face the adjoining open area between the next container, which would be turned into a nice rock garden to look at or something.
- And I don't know if you already noticed, but between each container is a balcony created by the roof of the container a floor below. Each container then would have outside access to a private balcony.
- The outside (and possibly inside) of the metal containers would be covered with some type of insulative material like stucco, mud or cement.
- And lastly (for now ) I would like to convert the roof into a grass covered chill area with maybe some small hills for sitting on and cloud watching.

Peace,
Matt

Shipping container construction is certainly a unique way to build big on a smaller budget...I've been designing underground homes using containers for a bit over a year now...

Ok, so "comply" was not the right term. What I really meant to highlight is no body knows who to meet up with in order to establish local Jedi meetings. I don't know who's in my area to invite an gain support. Good luck with raising a temple when we can't event establish strong local chapters.

とっても凄い, Matt!! This is awesome research and layout! .... More comments in a moment; my wife is blowing on my neck ....

I believe the location listing in the profile allows plenty of latitude. If for some reason someone did not want to be too specific they could list a state or geographic area.

I think you can put whatever you like in it.

Mine says UK, but I think if I wanted to put 'V-Tog's awesome house of awesomeness' it would let me... :silly:

V-Tog wrote: V-Tog's awesome house of awesomeness' it would let me... :silly:

Sounds like an awesome place to visit....do you offer tours? :laugh:

Hahaha it's actually not awesome at all, I can't wait to move out...

I actually could now, but if I resist the temptation and leave it a few months longer I can save up some more money, which I guess is a good idea.

Once I move somewhere else which is less:

a) cluttered
b) cold
c) falling down

You're all welcome to visit

If you want come visit from the States RyuJin, I'll be more than happy to give you a tour...

:laugh: a home with "rustic flair" then huh....nothing a hammer and some nails can't fix....cold, some blankets work well for that...or.....cluttered, I hold annual garbage days to get rid of any/all rubbish that accumulated throughout the year


Back on topic, shipping containers are being used for apartments, condos, in law homes and a slew of other housing uses...most containers can be bought for cheap too since shipping yards get rid of their old ones regularly

if put alot of thought into this in the past and present ive recently came acroos a cheap and effective soultion to there not being a temple last summer some kids burnt down a trailer that has been in my family for years in retrospect it actualy helpped me to bring about my idea the total cost of this temple excludeing my man hours put into buliding it it would cost only 60 grand and cold house at first 20 to 30 people it would be a comunial liveing as in the tents would have to work off site and throw in on bills and the property tax also buliding permits and such but it would be a greate thing to begin somethiong big basicaly it would b e a huge log cabin with two restrooms abnd a loft sperated into two one for males one for females a thrid story room wich would be mine of course just because i dont like sleeping in a room with thirty peole it reminds me of jail lol would also be a bissness room agian this is under 60 grand its right near the water and is sorrounded by woods on three sides so privacy is our concren we have it i work many jobs but with a family my size 60grand is alot to handle on my budget

I think that is one important topic concerning any Jedi temple (otherwise said "a temple for Jedi and the like). What will people do for "jobs" when relocating to the area or visiting?

I would assume that those who chose to come visit would deal with their own expenses before they come. Those that would come and stay for longer might not just be able to cut all expenses for an indefinite amount of time. When I was out at Odiyan retreat center and the Nyingma Institute in Berkley, Ca they paid me $50 a month as a volunteer. However, my shared room / communal showers and meals were all provided. Needless to say, if I wanted to have a cell phone (this was back before the iPhone) I wouldn't really be able to afford it on that income.

The remote monastery idea is more or less a developed campsite with just the means to survive. More than likely it would be constructed to withstand periods of no one being there. Just basic structures and resources like water and soil plots for food. Some food crops could be created to more or less grow wild so it doesn't need constant tending but should people arrive, they would have SOMETHING to eat. A stocked pond wouldn't be a bad idea either.

With the retreat center idea, employees and pay would need to be controlled based off of income from retreat attendance. The income would also need to pay for any utilities the center uses, such as natural gas or propane for the kitchen and/or heating the place. If we did connect to the power grid (which I'm not advocating we do except specifically for this reason) and we created more energy we could use like from several wind turbines, we could make money by selling the power we pump back into the grid when where're not using it. I do think there should be internet out there though.

The micro temple is much easier to develop funding with. Having a coffee shop, sandwich/salad shop, whole foods market, and/or things like them, are all basic businesses that people who live and train there can have jobs for their own uses. Not to mention, that rent can be charged if there aren't enough Jedi or other Trainees to fill the rooms and instead they need to be rented out to local college students or something. This is also in an urban(ish) setting where non temple jobs could be found.


Honestly I would like to see each one of these types of temples happen. Which ever one comes first, I don't care. Alot of the same things need to be adressed for all of them.



So, who knows about legal stuff? Like liability issues for individuals and/or groups. Specifically this group. Would it be better to have this church own and operate a retreat center or training center type business, or an individual(s)? And what if it is built as if it were our physical church? How would liability issues work if we were doing physical/martial training at our 'church'? Would things be just like how fitness clubs do them now, like the YMCA? Aren't they a non-profit? (You know, I've heard that the CEO of the YMCA receives one of the largest salaries of CEOs... hmmm)

Next, what does any one know concerning building permits and codes? People are building all sorts of buildings with things like shipping containers and rammed earth. What are they doing to cross all their T's and dot their I's? Do things change for them if they want to run a business inside them?

And what about having dormitories for people to stay at? Are there special requirements for "rentable rooms"?

Lastly for now, what stipulations go along with a non-profit church/organization wanting to run a store (coffee, food, or grocery)? What about if they want to sell a consumer product(s). For example, some monasteries make and sell things like beer, wine and soap from what I hear.

Hopefully someone knows these answers or knows where to find them.

Peace,
Matt


P.s. I honestly never used to make huge posts like this. I'm sorry

It's nice to see that this subject brings out such deep thoughts and considerations from people .... It shows the dedication Jedi have for their religion.

Too bad Wm. M. Keck isn't [wasn't?] a Jedi supporter.

well seeing as i have 12 years in the construction industry i know everything there is to know about permits ad such i also grew up in the industry. as for legal matters if its classifed as a a barn not a monstatic or church then there is no problem. as for the jobs i hope that people would take inatitve and support them selfs the porperty tax is no more than 200 every four months as i am the jedi in the area and have kids to suport i couldnt take care of everybodys food this would be just the begining of course as our comuntiy is rather small with a smaller number of serious members it would be foolish of me to try and bulid by myself at this point as for training on the grounds you would be more than welcome to but its at your own risk yes people could come for a retreat if they wanted to but im looking long trem there would be a monthly rent depending on how many people come and what they contribute to the temple as a whole this right now is just a idea but id like it to come to being

Around where I am there's a couple of communities that I looked at in the past as being perfect settings for a jedi community...they had homes, a community center, pool, etc...all the buildings needed already existed...but ultimately it comes down to money and population....

Likewise I have many years worth of experience in construction...and academically I'm qualified to design...I had to learn all the business,legal,and production aspects...I spend most of my free time simply drawing up prints and various other designs...

well as ive said before i allready have a plan under way funding is my main problem basically where im at with permits and stuff wont be a problem seeing asa how im the deffintife concotractor in the area and have knowen everybody snice i was young i could bulid a milltary base and it wouldnt be looked at as more than a barn lol with thye materails id be useing thats only about 30 grand and as for the ohter 30 thats for equipment rentals and hireing help because i dont do roofs lol just hights

I wonder what a religion like Christianity would have been like if people didn't feel adamant on needing to build a church for it...