Money

RyuJin wrote: I'm already in that position...no job, no money, no unemployment, no car...I live at my mom's...having nothing may free you from attachment, but not fully from suffering...not when bills keep coming, and food is needed...or healthcare...what frees you from suffering is how you choose to cope...do you dwell on it? Or do you let it go?

Personally I would love to live in a world with no need of money...money leads to greed, greed leads to suffering...

OK so it sounds like you already know what you'd do since you did it. What makes you think you need money? There are food stamps and public housing and medicare/medicaid. You could even work illegally like millions of other americans and you wouldn't lose all those benefits plus you'd have cash for beer and smokes. Just sayin... you don't need money

V-Tog wrote: Until a month ago I had been unemployed for a year and a half...

I always thought that I was quite attached to money and what money brings, but I found that I was oddly happy living with my Dad, having my food paid for whilst unable to buy too much else...it gave me time to focus on what was really important, and Jediism and journeying on my own personal spiritual quest was more than enough to fill the financial void...

We need money for food, shelter, and all the other basics of life...but beyond that I've realised that it IS possible to be relatively content without it.

Now that I have SOME money, it's much more difficult not to feel "I could just do with a little more..." - whereas when I had none I wasn't thinking like that, I was thinking "life without money is actually not so bad..."

So now that you have a job you have some money but you have to pay for food and rent, live alone, and have no money rather than having no money and living with your dad.

I see...

Pride, honor, and dignity prevent me from doing such....

I was raised to pull my own weight, not to do so leaves an ill feeling...

I'm not motivated by money, but by the above 3 things...

My ideal lifestyle would be to live in a cabin in the woods, hunting and living in harmony with the world...

Rickie wrote:

Whyte Horse wrote: I believe Einstein worked very hard all his life so he earned what he got: remembrance as an example of a great personage that can lead us to ideas and noble deeds.

I'm personally indifferent to money as an object but it's pretty clear that money is NOT indifferent to you and I. I think we can all safely say that our lives are dictated by money.

Perhaps a good question for this thread would be:
What would you do if you lost all your junk? No money, no savings, no land, no car, no job, no unemployment insurance, etc. Just one backpack with a few days of clothes.

Personaly I'd love the adventure! Sadly, my wife would have to pay all the bills.

We live in a world where we are depedent on others and that involves trade.

I agree we all depend on one another and it's not possible to abandon your wife and child to go on an adventure. What if the adventure came to you? Suppose you and your dependants lost all your junk?

RyuJin wrote: Pride, honor, and dignity prevent me from doing such....

I was raised to pull my own weight, not to do so leaves an ill feeling...

I'm not motivated by money, but by the above 3 things...

My ideal lifestyle would be to live in a cabin in the woods, hunting and living in harmony with the world...

So what's stopping you? Could it be.... SATAN???? hehe. I mean could it be money?

Whyte Horse wrote:

Rickie wrote:

Whyte Horse wrote: I believe Einstein worked very hard all his life so he earned what he got: remembrance as an example of a great personage that can lead us to ideas and noble deeds.

I'm personally indifferent to money as an object but it's pretty clear that money is NOT indifferent to you and I. I think we can all safely say that our lives are dictated by money.

Perhaps a good question for this thread would be:
What would you do if you lost all your junk? No money, no savings, no land, no car, no job, no unemployment insurance, etc. Just one backpack with a few days of clothes.

Personaly I'd love the adventure! Sadly, my wife would have to pay all the bills.

We live in a world where we are depedent on others and that involves trade.

I agree we all depend on one another and it's not possible to abandon your wife and child to go on an adventure. What if the adventure came to you? Suppose you and your dependants lost all your junk?

Then we would live off someone elses or some instituitions money. We would still need trade or someones elses trade to get the basics for survival.

Whyte Horse wrote:

RyuJin wrote: I'm already in that position...no job, no money, no unemployment, no car...I live at my mom's...having nothing may free you from attachment, but not fully from suffering...not when bills keep coming, and food is needed...or healthcare...what frees you from suffering is how you choose to cope...do you dwell on it? Or do you let it go?

Personally I would love to live in a world with no need of money...money leads to greed, greed leads to suffering...

OK so it sounds like you already know what you'd do since you did it. What makes you think you need money? There are food stamps and public housing and medicare/medicaid. You could even work illegally like millions of other americans and you wouldn't lose all those benefits plus you'd have cash for beer and smokes. Just sayin... you don't need money

You could of course be a leech on society and live off your family or government, but that doesnt solve the problem... All you do is pass on the nill to someone else.

I agree pooling resources. Living alone is a bad idea if you cant afford it and could instead live with family while chipping in at home. You can also do without luxuries.

But you still need to pull your weight. And until you find a better way, money is the we allocate resources we. need

Whyte Horse wrote: So now that you have a job you have some money but you have to pay for food and rent, live alone, and have no money rather than having no money and living with your dad.

Lol to be fair I'm still living at home, and not paying any rent or food expenses.

But I'm looking at moving out again so that is basically the thought process that I've been going through.

leave the man in peace already V-Tog. My son is only small and I'm already looking forward to him leaving only coming back to drop his kids off or ask for money.

V-Tog wrote:

Whyte Horse wrote: So now that you have a job you have some money but you have to pay for food and rent, live alone, and have no money rather than having no money and living with your dad.

Lol to be fair I'm still living at home, and not paying any rent or food expenses.

But I'm looking at moving out again so that is basically the thought process that I've been going through.

I'm just thinking that you're happy living with your dad but you have to move out because it's a social status thing in the US. So you have to lower your happiness and standard of living to "fit in" to society...