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06 Sep 2012 19:19 #72486 by Wescli Wardest
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Offence is kind of the point of this whole exercise. Whether we are giving it or receiving it. I was in a conversation at one point were the argument was made that the individual did not want to wear a particular article of clothing because of what others would think. Not that they didn’t like it! And I find NOTHING wrong with that particular style of dress.

Would you NOT dress in a way that is normally considered to be socially acceptable because you didn’t want people to look at you and have certain thoughts? And is it right that something so harmless as looking nice can and does cause anxiety in individuals because of the actions, thoughts or comments of others?

I am personally appalled by the whole line of thought! And it sickens me that other people’s opinions and are forced onto the individual in such a way.

What would you say if I said that I didn’t want to wear a suit and tie because every time I did women would whistle and undress me with their eyes and that it made me uncomfortable?

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06 Sep 2012 19:24 #72488 by Jestor
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What would you say if I said that I didn’t want to wear a suit and tie because every time I did women would whistle and undress me with their eyes and that it made me uncomfortable?


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06 Sep 2012 19:31 #72489 by Jestor
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As jedi, we are less prone to judge...

But, if we interviewed a job applicant and he was "saggin'", and another, dressed more conservatory, then which do you think would get the job...

As the old adage goes, dress for the job you want, not the job you have...

If you want people to think well of you, dress for the environment, dress for respect...

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06 Sep 2012 21:38 #72501 by
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Here's my take on the subject of various methods of dress.

If you dress like trash, you're going to get treated like trash. Your outward appearance is your first impression. Dressing in a socially appropriate manner helps to show non-telepaths that you 'fit in', that you're a part of the same society as them and therefore not a threat. Unfortunately, some of this is gender based. A boy who has his waistband slung under his butt is not going to be getting stares from girls(in my experience, most girls don't find that attractive at all). However, a girl in a push-up bra, tight short shirt, and very short bottoms is going to get wolf whistled at and approached by strangers. The reason for this is simple. The boy, with his pants around his ankles, is presenting himself as 'thug', an urban translation of masculine. A boy will often dress that way to fit in with and impress his peers, despite how inconvenient it is or how silly he looks. A girl is dressing that way in order to attract attention, usually from boys. A girl who dresses with her breasts popping out of her shirt isn't doing it to show her friends how smart and interesting she is. She's doing it to present herself as a sex object, something to be desired. As a side note, often girls will get very bitchy and aggressive towards other girls who are peacocking in this way around boys that they've claimed in some way or another.

With that being said, is it right to judge someone on their method of dress? I have lots of friends, and they all dress differently. Some of them do dress in ways that I would never dream of, because I've been raised to dress conservatively(however I was always allowed to do whatever I wanted to my hair!). The way someone dresses is often a good way to see how they want you to see them, and that can give you at least marginal insight into their mindset. However, judging someone on their method of dress is similar to judging someone on the first thirty seconds you've interacted with them. You're just getting a snapshot of their whole being, and if you decide you don't want to be a part of their life, you can't really tell what you're missing. Unless someone is acting in a way that is hostile or otherwise horribly inappropriate(IE assaulting someone, slinging hate speech at passing minorities), I don't see why I, personally, would take someone's method of dress and extrapolate from that their entire personality.

Social appropriateness is a different matter entirely. Appropriate dress for various occasions is rooted in tradition, and generally the majority vote will decide whether or not something is appropriate. For instance, when I see a girl walking around campus in a short, skintight dress, I see people both compliment her fashion sense or alternatively ridicule her once she's out of earshot. It's all relative. What's important to remember is that the way someone chooses to present themselves is only a fraction of the person underneath, and that person deserves a chance to change your life for the better. You just have to look past the clothes, and let them.

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06 Sep 2012 22:17 #72506 by PatrickB
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listen vert the sensually part of life is there but it depend if parent are aware of this some a person live there and especial a student or a teenager who influence in different level of sound or a smart one is there to profit the view of an innocent teenager "What is going on about that ? how people profit of the excitement of the students who want there carriers seriously.

Are there profiting of teenager innocence . Is that are in advance submit What is going on about that?
If a girl want to attract a men does she need to show their breast hanging out What is going on about that ? no but who do you are insulting women when they want to go out and take a beverage do they need to undress them self What is going about that .We us men don't have the same taste in women hein vert.

And by the are a rapist or something .Are making sure that the women that you savor by watching them in the street what are saying about that Are you sure of what your saying in all of this .

Where there is nice compliment there is respect
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06 Sep 2012 22:26 #72509 by
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PatrickB:

I'm going to try my best to understand your point, but forgive me for any errors I may make. Your English isn't what I'm used to reading, so it's a bit of a challenge for me!

People are always going to want attention. It's a very human desire to be looked at and admired. I agree that younger people probably should not be dressing provocatively to get that attention, but the fact of the matter is that some people do. It's not something I do or have ever done, but I respect peoples' rights to express themselves outwardly through dress, even if that dress is very little dress at all.

Women should not have to adjust their clothing style out of fear of being raped. Implying that dressing that way invites rape is not only victim blaming, but very insulting to all men. It implies that a certain dress code must be adhered to for you to contain your desire to rape a woman. It implies that any man, when faced with a woman who is pretty or wearing revealing clothing, cannot be trusted not to rape that woman. It's incredibly degrading to all people to say that dressing a certain way might cause a rape.

I agree that compliments are a sign of respect, and that despite your outward appearance, you are always going to be yourself.

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06 Sep 2012 22:46 #72514 by PatrickB
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listen vert i think you need a check up test .And by the way it is not every women that dress half naked and invite men to ripe them .And by the way women don't invite people to be rape do you really think that's is there purpose.So women think dressing up sexy version are automatically inviting rapist you there vert.

And it's a matter of jedi gilrs are producing there own style nowadays it what you don't of,do you really think a jedi women think about bieng rape by you sith lord or what if you are one but i not accusing you of course and your English is not to clear your own skis coded language or what

I Like your opinions on and your own point of you .

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06 Sep 2012 22:56 #72516 by
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I never said all women do that, and dressing provocatively is not an invitation for rape. Ever. I never said that was the purpose, I just mistranslated your English I suppose.
Honestly, lots of women fear being raped. But that's not what this discussion is about, at all.
I write proper American English, I'm well educated and I actually have really good spelling and grammar. I'm sorry if you have trouble understanding me.

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06 Sep 2012 22:58 #72519 by
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Saying that dressing a certain way is invites rape is like saying that walking around unarmed is inviting being shot.

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06 Sep 2012 23:00 #72520 by
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Or that walking around without a lance and a horse invites being jousted!

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