"Question" does not equal "point"

Ok just to clear something up.

If one looks into the mathematical reasoning (which is there for a reason if you hadn't noticed) behind the fuction of a defenition, you will find that a defenition cannot be reversed.

Thus, you cannot phisically lift up a table and make it refer to the word "table"

Sure you can redifine the object with a different defenition. But the object itself cannot govern the word you use.

Think about it. A word can be applied quite freely to a particular object. But how in the hell would you apply an object to a word? It cannont be done.

Yeah it's kind of a chicken and egg thing. We humans give names to objects we define.

i.e. first there is a flat surface with 4 legs approximately 32" high. We make a sound that sounds like table and point at the flat surface with 4 legs. Our fellow cavemen look at the flt surface with 4 legs and say...ugg. We say, no...table. The cavemen look at it again and say table. We say, good caveman, now go hunt me a mammoth for dinner!

The word then BECOMES the definition! The words "The Force" is the Definition of all that the Force can be defined as in long winded terms.

So now to make an object the actual definition...look in the mirror...and smile! You don't have to tell anyone that you are happy, they just know by the object they are looking at, YOU!

Just a thought. What do you think?

Yeah that's bassically what I was saying. Allthough the whole thing about a word becoming something is pretty dark stuff... for a Jedi atleast

*Shivers*

No, not dark stuff.

I have been reading a lot of Buddhist texts and have read and watched Alan Watts and Joseph Campbell's other works. Fear of our inability to grasp the unknown has forced us to give everything names and definitions. Fear leads to the dark side not the object, an object is not good or evil, it just is!

But looking over what you have said. Why would there be a flat surface with 4 legs in the first place. Unless somone had acctually thought of building a "table" then that flat surface (with four legs) wouldn't have been there in the first place

Hell if there was a cave man in front and a "Table" looking thingy aswell I'd probably use alot of light-side Luke skywalker style suspition and wonder if it was some kind of relic from something insanely interesting and all those shenanigans...It's great being around... ummm

Because a caveman with a bad back didn't want to bend over. :laugh:

trial and error with 2 and 3 leg versions?

the caveman was an interior decorator and needed to put his pillows somewhere? :whistle:

You pick :laugh:

This is right.

If we examine the basis of what The name "Table" refers to (a Table that has been constructed for the very purpose of constructing a table rather than you stranglly ambiguos "flat surface.") We cannot find anything that actually is a table per say. We have "flat surface" and we have a leg; something that even your body has! (I hope)

But the real meaning is that the table cannot be imputed without the table being there. Somtimes we impute things on the wrong basis.

Say for example we go into the kitchen and a very educated cave man asks us what we would like to eat and and we say "Fruit." So the cave man offers us a menu and we say I'd like a tomato please. Then the cave man gets really angry and starts running round the house shouting "A tomato is not a fruit!" and letting out a great roar bettween sentences, then he comes down the stairs with his club in his hand and in a fit of fury refers to it as a "bat" ...usually the cave man's grammar is exelent; but becuase we have angered him so much on this occasion he has called his club a "bat"

It really can be quite deadly...

Wait, another thought...

A student asked the Master for some knowledge about a red bird but was puzzled by the lack of response.

"Master" said the student, "Why do you not answer me?"

after a long period of silence the Master finally spoke

"I am not a red bird, if you wish to know of red birds, ask the red bird"

well the master was showing alot of respect for the student for saying for him to ask a red bid directly (Not that I've ever really seen one that is completly red)

Talking directly to animals requires alot of training and preperation, and the kind of repect that a master must have for a student in this way is very rare.

Deadly? What the bat or the lack of knowledge on the caveman's part?