BDPulver wrote: what got us started on the topic was my venture with a friend to bible study on wed night. i was taking mental notes on christians and there views. since the minister was out someone else was there subbing for him. he started off on how creationism was true and evolution was false. how its documented in the bible and scientists have trouble disputed it.
it made me wanting to walk out but i sat thru to listen. so with that i wasnt impressed or felt awakened. just knowing there are some that are very closed minded to all around them.
I thought it might be something like that. Some people who call themselves Christians hold to creationism but many liberal and progressive Christians have no trouble with evolution at all. Even the current Pope (and several before him) accept(s)(ed) evolution and the big bang.
The Bible clearly states that the Earth does not move and that it's flat. Remember that Galileo got into loads of trouble for saying the Earth was not the center of the universe.
Creationists seem to think The Bible dropped out of Heaven all ready to go and in English. It's a collection of at least 72 different books written by different persons at different times. It was not written as a science text and was not intended to be one.
In the Hebrew culture moral and religious lessons were taught in parables. It's a fine way to teach. I know you've heard of Aesop's Fables. Nobody literally believes that a rabbit talked to a turtle and they decided to have a race but everyone understands the lesson. (Yes I know it actually says the tortoise and the hare.)
In the New Testament Jesus constantly teaches with parables.
What Creationists are doing is taking literally stories that were not meant to be taken literally at all but were told to teach lessons.
Without even leaving the book of Genesis you could have devastated this silly preacher. At least you'll have some ammunition for your next debate.
On which day of creation did God create light?
GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.
Uh Oh! First it says the first and then it says the fourth. They can't both be right.
Which was created first, man or trees?
GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.
Well ....
Were birds created before man?
GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.
Yes AND No!?
What came first, animals or man?
GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.
I bet you did not know there's two different stories of creation in Genesis.
Was man created before woman or were they created at the same time?
GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.
No problem there. Just accept that woman was created after man yet at the same time.
Was God pleased with his creation?
GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
(Note: That God should be displeased is inconsistent with the concept of omniscience.)
You'll have to work that one out with God. I'm staying out of it.
How long did Adam live after he ate the forbidden fruit?
GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.
GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years.
So Adam lived 930 years after he died. I can deal with that. But I bet he was not pleasant to be around.
I'm not even warmed up.
In a nutshell, Creationists are abusing The Bible and actually know nothing about its history or the intentions of the authors. They worship a book above God! They commit the sin of bibliolatry. They refuse to use the mind God gave them and are willfully blind to the abundant evidence of the wonders of Creation.
That's it for now. We could write a book on this subject and many have. For me it's time for dinner.
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