Reincarnation

Dakini wrote: Isn't reincarnation separate from legacy?

Yes. One is a word used to refer to something real, albeit arguably abstract. The other is a word used to refer to something almost entirely incoherent.


It's a shame we keep wasting so much of our energy on pseudo-spiritual woo for the vapid tingle hearing ourselves talk of things we think are so exotic makes in our ears. We could instead spend any amount of time at all on developing (studying, some might call it) the actually - practically, tangibly - profound and meaningful...


Fantastic tales we tell ourselves of the fates of those who left yield to us no torch to light the way ahead. All they do is console us against our self-pity and our fear of our own lives' finitude. They are no honour to the dead, nor to the living.
The lives that passed are not ours to toy with. As far as any of us can tell, they are gone for good from this place, whether they reach another or not, or whether there is any other place or not, or whether they one day return to our world in some other form none of us would have the means to recognize. The lives we get to play with are our own, and those continue on past the passing of some our peers, as one day ours will, too, end before the eyes of those we leave behind. But until that day we live in this world, the only one we know (if one dare call anything knowing) we ever get to visit. And we journey through but current life, the only one we know we get to live. What matters then to us in our lives on any practical level is not whereto vanish the spirits of the dead if there even are any, but rather what remains of them as part of the lives that survive and as part of the world they carry on within.


What do I think of the reincarnation idea? I think that someone who speaks of it without some conception of a soul, some kind of essence of the self that is beyond bodily function is likely not referring to the same thing I would by that label. At this point we know enough about nature, however, to say that there is no such thing as a soul by any context-relevant usage of the term "is". I believe therefore that we'd do well in our spiritual journeys to quit denying what is already known and try and deal with reality we do get to glimpse instead. There is plenty depth and beauty to appreciate in life without deluding ourselves into frankly cartoonish fantasies that fail at both, being consistent with the understanding of the universe we have already gathered, as well as actually adding anything of further utility to our philosophical studies or religious practices.

In the end, does your belief impact how you live?
If it doesn't, then your belief doesn't matter and you might as well not believe in it.
If it does, but it detracts from your quality of life, maybe you should consider asking why you believe in it.
Live in the now. If something is right, do it regardless of how you think it impacts your existence after death. To do otherwise is an inauthentic existence where you're running from your own mortality at the cost of wasting your life.

Malicious wrote: I heard a story from a old rabbi that originally there was a set amount of souls that God had created and one day all the souls where used up so an angel had an ingenious idea to split a soul in two . Eventually with the rise in population the number of people living grew to where they had to do it seven times to every soul and that's why there are seven people around the world that looks like you . I think this fits in to this reincarnation subject . Personally I don't hold much truth in this wisetail but food for thought I guess .

I don't know anything either . I've read in scripture where G-d told Moses to make a menorah only for the temple and it was to have 7 candle holders to represent his 7 spirits.

I also heard a story from a rabbi when we come to this Earth to pass through the matrix we make a promise not to remember where we been.
More food for thought.
I don't know and don't have any personal comments.

I'm about 85% sure that forceuser is being cheeky

Not for you but for most people on the forum I try to keep things super super simple matrix is mentioned 5 times in the King James Bible and not to get too technical in the Hebrew translation but basically it means to 1st come here are open our experience this life or you could say coming through the womb or when you were born

yup thats right, the 7 world matrix that we all must travel through either through the path of acceptance or the path of rejection.

Fyxe wrote: yup thats right, the 7 world matrix that we all must travel through either through the path of acceptance or the path of rejection.

Wow whether pleasure to meet someone did actually is walking around what their eyes open.
Preview B with the forest and that sure we'll run into each other again

Well in the 15% bucket it goes. I guess I underestimated the internet

You do realize that matrix had a very different meaning back when and that the Hebrew word translates into modern English as womb.

what is a 15% bucket?

what is a 15% bucket?

forceuser wrote:

Malicious wrote: I heard a story from a old rabbi that originally there was a set amount of souls that God had created and one day all the souls where used up so an angel had an ingenious idea to split a soul in two . Eventually with the rise in population the number of people living grew to where they had to do it seven times to every soul and that's why there are seven people around the world that looks like you . I think this fits in to this reincarnation subject . Personally I don't hold much truth in this wisetail but food for thought I guess .

I don't know anything either . I've read in scripture where G-d told Moses to make a menorah only for the temple and it was to have 7 candle holders to represent his 7 spirits.

I also heard a story from a rabbi when we come to this Earth to pass through the matrix we make a promise not to remember where we been.
More food for thought.
I don't know and don't have any personal comments.

The original menorah was
A.) Not mentioned to do anything with 7 spirits (and nothing outside of Kabbalah says that)
B.) Not a candle holder
C.) Not for the temple because the temple didn't exist at that time

We don't remember where we've been because memory functions develop over time (most people can't remember anything from before they were 5).

You can find a Rabbi to say just about anything, so that doesn't lend the idea any credence

Malicious, wouldn't that mean there are 13 other people like you? Also this sounds like a pure ripoff of a story in Plato's symposium where Zeus chopped the original people in half and we're all looking for our counterparts

Fyxe, I earlier said I guessed there was an 85% chance forceuser was being cheeky, which he apparently isn't; hence in the other 15%

7 spirits are the 7 worlds above reality. its all poetic interpretation in the terms. the matrix refers to the process of ascending the worlds through choice. Its actually quite a complicated process.

Fyxe wrote: 7 spirits are the 7 worlds above reality.

What isn't, though? If I give you seven spirits, it's the seven worlds above. If I give you the eight chakras, it's this world, and the seven above. If I give you ten or eleven dimensions in string theory, you'll make three or four to be space or space-time respectively, and the remaining seven will be the ones above. Name me a number there is any association with something vaguely unintuitive that you couldn't squeeze into this pre-drawn conclusion of yours? I bet if there was some coupling of five things, one could spin some natural ying-yang dichotomy onto it just to make it seven, just so as to make it fit once more with this pet theory.

its all poetic interpretation in the terms. the matrix refers to the process of ascending the worlds through choice. Its actually quite a complicated process.

Oh, so that's what it refers to, is it... And what is this complicated process like, then? Why would they refer to it as "matrix" also? Who would you go on to blame for the profoundly poor word choice, seeing as matrix in just about every other context refers to a grid-like arrangement of objects all drawn from the same field, like

But yea, seeing as you know a thing or two - or at any rate enough to find it "actually quite complicated" - about this process, would you care to share with us lay folk?

Nah, matrix is more about birth.. from Latin mātrīx (“dam, womb”), in these contexts at least IMO.

The matrix is referred to as the womb

If you're looking to find what's wrong with everybody you will find it.
if you look at just one sentence , or paragraph you may lose the whole meaning unless you read the whole book and many other books.

Just a simple question What was the color of the 10 commandments the Lord 1st gave to Moses.

Hint if you've only read one sentence or verse I'm sure you're going to miss it.

Dig deeper you'll easily find the answer.

Is the word matrix used in the Bible ? Which version? Care to share a bit more ?

Look up in the King James Bible Exodus 13 :12 I believe that's the 1st time it's mentioned it's mentioned another handful of times but it's been many years since i looked it up

English I haven't studied for quite as long as Latin (definitely do use it more, though, for better or for worse), but I'm not aware of any usage of the word "womb" to refer to "the process of ascending the worlds through choice" either, though I'll happily stand corrected. Why an English translation would employ Latin words instead of their English counterparts in the first place, let alone ones that rarely translate to the intended ones, which in turn are possibly never used to refer to the actual thing that is allegedly likely close to what the authors meant is likewise a mystery to me. Or it would be, if antiquated English translations were the only ones at our avail. Even later KJV derived translations make the effort to use "womb" or the respectively appropriate terms in those places instead.


Sure, if we look for a specific meaning, we can twist and bend the words and their usage and the usage of the translation of the words and reinterpret the already ridiculously garbled result just enough to get the thing we wanted to hear in the first place. That point is made.


Perhaps soon we'll learn more details of this actually quite complicated process - if worthy of such knowledge or something, that is - and what it has to do with matrices that may or may not be wombs but at any rate and by what ever translation a reference to the process.

On Matrix- since etymology has made its way into the discussion, I ran a search using the BlueLetterBible Comparative Lexicons.

In Hebrew it is “rechem” (translates as “matrix” 5x and “womb” 21x)
The corresponding Septuagint reference in every time “matrix” is mentioned is “ mḗtra” (womb) which has its root in “mḗtēr” meaning “mother”. Clearly the word is intended as “womb”.

7 Spirits:
There are various theories on what the 7 spirits are, but no one is for sure. It’s an obscure reference in Revelation that is repeated no where else in the Bible. Seven is a common number in the Bible, it doesn’t mean there is an intent to have 7 of everything. 12 is also a common number on the Bible too, and so is 3. I can see a need to create the idea of 7 doppelgängers, when you all finally merge you become a spiritual whole- but it’s not supported by Jewish tradition.

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I reckon each level is born of the proceeding one. I'd guess neuro/psychotheonomy, as people's minds adapt to some nature of transformative experiences. A belief or theory of the living about the dead.... derived from experiences in dying probably (or 'visions' speaking to it).