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23 Aug 2019 17:36 #342028 by Carlos.Martinez3

VixensVengeance wrote:

Manu wrote:

VixensVengeance wrote: Ugg... I had promised myself I would stay out of this thread, however you have peaked my curiosity with this comment. Are there certain things that are not allowed to be discussed here then?


I would say that in general, most service providers are bound to prevent sharing of content that is inciting criminal activity.

So if I were to say “help me out, I can’t kill someone, so I want your input on the next best thing on how to do it digitally”, I think that it’s crossing the line, since the conversation was not about the phenomena of digital bullying, scamming, hacking, but more of a “how to” thread.


Do you think "digital murder" should be a crime? If so how would you define those parameters? What would be the specific requirements to be accused or convicted of such an offense?



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23 Aug 2019 17:39 #342029 by VixensVengeance aka Kyrin Wyldstar

Carlos.Martinez3 wrote:

VixensVengeance wrote:

Manu wrote:

VixensVengeance wrote: Ugg... I had promised myself I would stay out of this thread, however you have peaked my curiosity with this comment. Are there certain things that are not allowed to be discussed here then?


I would say that in general, most service providers are bound to prevent sharing of content that is inciting criminal activity.

So if I were to say “help me out, I can’t kill someone, so I want your input on the next best thing on how to do it digitally”, I think that it’s crossing the line, since the conversation was not about the phenomena of digital bullying, scamming, hacking, but more of a “how to” thread.


Do you think "digital murder" should be a crime? If so how would you define those parameters? What would be the specific requirements to be accused or convicted of such an offense?



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23 Aug 2019 17:51 #342030 by rugadd
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You would have to establish there was actual damage done to the person not associated with other prevailing, preexisting factors. I know there are some grounds for emotional distress in court cases, but you have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the actions of the accused were responsible for the trauma. Often times it is dismissed because the defense proves through other social media etc. that the accuser has a history of fragile or combative spirit and thus can not rightly claim that the defendant is at fault. Libel is a huge concern for greater entities, of course, but unless what was said goes from "making me feel bad" too "I suffered harm at the hands of others because what was said" your not going to get anywhere. "I lost my job because of how I feel over what you wrote." is not the same as "I was fired because my employer believed the lie you wrote."

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23 Aug 2019 18:25 #342031 by VixensVengeance aka Kyrin Wyldstar
So in that case do you believe that someone playing a sniper in a video game that delights in killing the same person, another combatant in that video game, over and over until the one being shot is so frustrated he throws his game system across the room? It was a malicious act and emotional harm was done to the victim. So can we accuse the sniper of digital murder with malice and thus convict him if its proven that he actually caused emotional distress to the other? What do you suppose the actually punishment would be in this case? Would you send them to a physical jail or put them in a virtual prison for a period of time?

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23 Aug 2019 19:07 #342034 by rugadd
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I honestly don't know. In the scenario you posted, sometimes nothing. It's a game. get over it. In other identical scenarios the headhunter gets blocked from participating. When does a lack of self control become someone else's problem? Even being malicious about it isn't enough in some cases.

I really don't know.

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23 Aug 2019 19:15 #342035 by ren
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Virtual truths are lies, therefore Virtual identities cannot be killed.

Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies.
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23 Aug 2019 19:18 #342036 by Rex
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"Griefing" is a bannable offense in many video games, it isn't in others. Rule application is a matter of setting what type of user base the game has. Given that TotJO is explicitly against the death penalty, I don't think digitally simulating murder is in the spirit of the temple

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23 Aug 2019 19:18 #342037 by VixensVengeance aka Kyrin Wyldstar

rugadd wrote: I honestly don't know. In the scenario you posted, sometimes nothing. It's a game. get over it. In other identical scenarios the headhunter gets blocked from participating. When does a lack of self control become someone else's problem? Even being malicious about it isn't enough in some cases.

I really don't know.


Thank you. I appreciate your answer because its honest.

Taking that idea and applying it to Phoenixes thread is what I want everyone to see here. She was talking about a specific context that seems to now have been ignored in such comments as Manus and just glossed over in the effort to use it as an excuse to ban. If you reread the thread she started it specifically states the intent of the question. It was to be used as a means to assume power in a sith context in a virtual environment where all participants agree to the terms of its use. Its akin to a fight to the death sort of scenario carried out in a virtual environment that is absent the digital graphics that video games enjoy. Thats all it was. People have read way to much into what she wrote, so as Rugard so eloquently says, Get over it! ;)

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23 Aug 2019 19:25 #342039 by Phoenix Vidensia

VixensVengeance wrote:

rugadd wrote: I honestly don't know. In the scenario you posted, sometimes nothing. It's a game. get over it. In other identical scenarios the headhunter gets blocked from participating. When does a lack of self control become someone else's problem? Even being malicious about it isn't enough in some cases.

I really don't know.


Thank you. I appreciate your answer because its honest.

Taking that idea and applying it to Phoenixes thread is what I want everyone to see here. She was talking about a specific context that seems to now have been ignored in such comments as Manus and just glossed over in the effort to use it as an excuse to ban. If you reread the thread she started it specifically states the intent of the question. It was to be used as a means to assume power in a sith context in a virtual environment where all participants agree to the terms of its use. Its akin to a fight to the death sort of scenario carried out in a virtual environment that is absent the digital graphics that video games enjoy. Thats all it was. People have read way to much into what she wrote, so as Rugard so eloquently says, Get over it! ;)


Exactly, VV. Thank you. Seems I’m unbanned as well.

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23 Aug 2019 19:44 #342042 by RyuJin
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Disagreeing with the group isn't an issue...if done properly....presentation matters, manners matter...we have plenty here that don't agree with everything and they are more respectful in the way they present their disagreement...

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