How is rank about academics and not just a popularity contest?

Jabba the slut is nothing more then an alt account of brother John which is technically abuse since multiple accounts has always been a banned offense, and through the years looked extremely down upon, this whole thing smells of an intentional ruse of lies and dishonesty just to see how people react, which isn't the least bit about what jediism teaches, but that's what happens when all of the quality members aren't in leadership positions anymore.

Two different iP addresses from 2 different countries.
Come on folks let’s keep the topic on point ? Is it really that hard?

Tellahane wrote: Jabba the slut is nothing more then an alt account of brother John which is technically abuse since multiple accounts has always been a banned offense, and through the years looked extremely down upon, this whole thing smells of an intentional ruse of lies and dishonesty just to see how people react, which isn't the least bit about what jediism teaches, but that's what happens when all of the quality members aren't in leadership positions anymore.

I am sure everyone busy doing one thing or another for totjo at the moment finds your message really encouraging.

An example I'm thinking about is becoming an attorney in Texas. In almost all states it's similar. It's necessary to have a law degree from an American Bar Association accredited law school, but that does not allow you to practice law and it does not make you an attorney. Having the degree you need to pass the bar exam. If you pass the bar exam you go before an ethics and character committee who judge if you possess the character and morals to be licensed to practice law. I might have the order of the last two requirements reversed but ultimately an appointed committee decides.

Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: Two different iP addresses from 2 different countries.
Come on folks let’s keep the topic on point ? Is it really that hard?

Carlos I investigated that account quite thoroughly before, as well as the user that removed the bans previously, even Ros can confirm it. It's used between John and Ren and it's not hard to proxy it or even track the proxy if one wanted too. You'd be surprised how many proxy services keep logs for legal purposes.

And for those still working per rens comment...sorry if the truth hurts.

Tellahane wrote:

Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: Two different iP addresses from 2 different countries.
Come on folks let’s keep the topic on point ? Is it really that hard?

Carlos I investigated that account quite thoroughly before, as well as the user that removed the bans previously, even Ros can confirm it. It's used between John and Ren and it's not hard to proxy it or even track the proxy if one wanted too. You'd be surprised how many proxy services keep logs for legal purposes.

And for those still working per rens comment...sorry if the truth hurts.

If Ya got proof bring it up in another thread and why has this waited till now to be mentioned? - I would gladly listen to you -even take action if needed / hope to see another thread about this - Mean while-

Back to topic?

Carlos.Martinez3 wrote:

Tellahane wrote:

Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: Two different iP addresses from 2 different countries.
Come on folks let’s keep the topic on point ? Is it really that hard?

Carlos I investigated that account quite thoroughly before, as well as the user that removed the bans previously, even Ros can confirm it. It's used between John and Ren and it's not hard to proxy it or even track the proxy if one wanted too. You'd be surprised how many proxy services keep logs for legal purposes.

And for those still working per rens comment...sorry if the truth hurts.

If Ya got proof bring it up in another thread and why has this waited till now to be mentioned? - I would gladly listen to you -even take action if needed / hope to see another thread about this - Mean while-

Back to topic?

Yes I do. But what would that accomplish? Can't exactly punish those involves

Some very interesting things to come out of this thread. Revelation, honesty, insight, manipulation, deception, treachery. So I guess the conversation turns now to whether this place is a haven of jedi or a den of sith? Or maybe neither... maybe it's just a collective of people all pretending to be something they are not.

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: Some very interesting things to come out of this thread. Revelation, honesty, insight, manipulation, deception, treachery. So I guess the conversation turns now to whether this place is a haven of jedi or a den of sith? Or maybe neither... maybe it's just a collective of people all pretending to be something they are not.

This will be the one time I agree with you, hell might have frozen over.

How intruiging indeed ,

So , Br John and Ren are Jabba the Hut
Rosalyn knew about it because she discussed it with Tellahane , Carlos is in denying of everthing probably because he is the Pastor and loves where he is , desperately trying to get this on topic..

Kyrin seems convinced that people here are faking it ( correct me if i am wrong ) and i think she is right..

Is there anyone who reads this and thinks , ow that sounds nice , i think i will do the IP ?

Anyway , i think i will sign up with Jedi Living ,they seem a bit more like i would imagine Jedi to be like levelheaded and such , and its very quiet there , probably because people are living their lives ...

This seems to me a very toxic place , i have browsed through the forums and was a bit surprised by the amount of topics that ended up in this kind of circus , people dont understand that no one has to put up with this non sense and that being a good human who looks after others cannot be bothered with this kind of weird group behaviour...

And neither can i

Please get your shit together

It's used between John and Ren

No it is not.

Lumella wrote: How intruiging indeed ,

So , Br John and Ren are Jabba the Hut
Rosalyn knew about it because she discussed it with Tellahane , Carlos is in denying of everthing probably because he is the Pastor and loves where he is , desperately trying to get this on topic..

Br John is the founder, ren is a veteran councillor who once used Jabba's "The art of the deal" as an avatar to commemorate the democratic choices of the american people, Rosalyn is the former pastor and councillor, Carlos is current pastor and councillor, and tellahane, member of a clique that enjoys making things up, accusing others of one thing or another, and recently ragequit a second time after Carlos (pastor) unlocked a thread.

Maybe Tellahane can explain how his rank is not just a popularity contest.

ren wrote:

Lumella wrote: How intruiging indeed ,

So , Br John and Ren are Jabba the Hut
Rosalyn knew about it because she discussed it with Tellahane , Carlos is in denying of everthing probably because he is the Pastor and loves where he is , desperately trying to get this on topic..

Br John I the founder, ren is a veteran councillor who once used Jabba's "The art of the deal" as an avatar to commemorate the democratic choices of the american people, Rosalyn is the former pastor and councillor, Carlos is current pastor and councillor, and tellahane, member of a clique that enjoys making things up, accusing others of one thing or another, and recently ragequit a second time after Carlos (pastor) unlocked a thread.

Maybe Tellahane can explain how his rank is not just a popularity contest.

Thank you for your explanation , it all seems a little mentally unstable to me , i have read a few topics where the mental instability of leaders and members seems to get the better of them.

Its very clear to me that Kyrin is not the problem, and i kinda glad she is not being silenced , the one thing a open learning enviroment should be is inviting to discuss even the hardest things in life.

Its very clear to me that Kyrin is not the problem, and i kinda glad she is not being silenced , the one thing a open learning enviroment should be is inviting to discuss even the hardest things in life.

Believe me the clique in question has tried every trick in the book to silence Kyrin, who is no angel either btw :lol:

I could not agree more with you regarding tough discussions.

i have read a few topics where the mental instability of leaders and members seems to get the better of them.

totjo has had to deal with expert manipulators who for many years have tried to destabilize totjo. There also appear to be some institutional factors leading to obsession then disillusionment with knightism. We are exploring dramatic solutions.

Its a wonder what people let themselves get distracted by.

Every time you get sistracted by thingsbyou lose out on a growth opportunity

ren wrote:

Its very clear to me that Kyrin is not the problem, and i kinda glad she is not being silenced , the one thing a open learning enviroment should be is inviting to discuss even the hardest things in life.

Believe me the clique in question has tried every trick in the book to silence Kyrin, who is no angel either btw :lol:

I could not agree more with you regarding tough discussions.

i have read a few topics where the mental instability of leaders and members seems to get the better of them.

totjo has had to deal with expert manipulators who for many years have tried to destabilize totjo. There also appear to be some institutional factors leading to obsession then disillusionment with knightism. We are exploring dramatic solutions.

Have you considered getting rid of all ranks and just be Jedi, could you have a system where integrity and good behaviour are deemed normal ? I can imagine its very discouraging to fight manipulation , especially when its within the organisation. And people want transparancy , which i think is overrated really because if someone is a Tyrand they dont care that we know what he is up to. Cliques are not a good thing in any organisation , and yet every organisation has some. I think this is deeply rooted in the need for people to be understood , another very overrated concept , i dont care if you understand me really , i just do my best to be a better person than i was yesterday.

This need to be understood leads to Cliques , pms are send , talks behind peoples backs start , suddenly people stop talking to anyone that endangers their cocoon. After a while they start fighting eachother and another Jedi back stabbing website drama is born. A shame really because there are some neat Jedi codes to prevent that from happening.

I hope that whatever dramatic solution props up will make the Jedi here somewhat less self aware and more "other" aware in the sense of them offering solutions to everyday sorrow and grief and that they may be a light and a baken

Rosalyn J wrote: Its a wonder what people let themselves get distracted by.

Every time you get sistracted by thingsbyou lose out on a growth opportunity

I hope you are just being Silly here because most of lives lessons are sprung out of distraction , your effort to somehow make people feel unvalid because they cannot focus is demeaning and does not show the humility that i would expect.

Although i understand the need for focus in a task at hand , in a discussion a distraction often brings to light an underlying problem , and that problem then needs more light shed on it.

You hit the nail on the head.

Lumella wrote:

Rosalyn J wrote: Its a wonder what people let themselves get distracted by.

Every time you get sistracted by thingsbyou lose out on a growth opportunity

I hope you are just being Silly here because most of lives lessons are sprung out of distraction , your effort to somehow make people feel unvalid because they cannot focus is demeaning and does not show the humility that i would expect.

Although i understand the need for focus in a task at hand , in a discussion a distraction often brings to light an underlying problem , and that problem then needs more light shed on it.

I've heard that too. Since I saw my name pop up in this discussion unbidden, I thought I'd give my assessment.

By the by, this thread is all about invalidation. Don't get mad at me if I add a bit of invalidation to an invalidation soup.

Come on