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16 Mar 2019 18:42 #335751 by Kyrin Wyldstar
No Manu I make no hard assumptions. My point was that many do though, assume somebody else should act or behave or talk a specific way and then go about trying to make them change. That never works very well and yes kobos I would agree it comes from ego and I think that ego is fed by a false sense of superiority because they have been given a title.

Proteus, as for my driving purpose I think we all have many but in the context of this conversation mine would be an honest search for truth. It is not an easy process and sometimes can be harsh for any of us. Does my purpose interfere with others purpose? Well I would say no because I think we are each responsible for our own responses and reactions. But others seem to not feel this way. Their mission in life seems to be meta-involvement in others business. Namely judging the nature of anothers pursuit as invalid and then setting out to correct it.

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17 Mar 2019 00:20 #335754 by Manu

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: No Manu I make no hard assumptions. My point was that many do though, assume somebody else should act or behave or talk a specific way and then go about trying to make them change. That never works very well and yes kobos I would agree it comes from ego and I think that ego is fed by a false sense of superiority because they have been given a title.


I don’t think it’s the title that does it. Remember Karpman’s victim triangle? I believe many who are attracted to the Jedi imagery as heroes/knights/monks have the tendency to fall into the Rescuer perspective, and thus are quick to apply their bias to “identify” both the “Persecuter” doing the bullying and the “Victim” needing saving.

Because the Rescuer role is sort of aligned with Jedi mythos, and at the same time socially acceptable, it makes it even easier to play into the drama.

And of course that is why you get often singled out as a Persecuter. Ironically, this might make you “feel” like a victim, haha.

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17 Mar 2019 02:35 #335756 by ren
Can you imagine if the people here who like to see and fight persecution where there is none did the same thing in similar situations offline? Complained to the police as they do here to the mods? 'hello officer this person is talking about things I don't like can you kick them out of the country please?'

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17 Mar 2019 19:19 #335773 by Kyrin Wyldstar

Manu wrote: I don’t think it’s the title that does it. Remember Karpman’s victim triangle? I believe many who are attracted to the Jedi imagery as heroes/knights/monks have the tendency to fall into the Rescuer perspective, and thus are quick to apply their bias to “identify” both the “Persecuter” doing the bullying and the “Victim” needing saving.

Because the Rescuer role is sort of aligned with Jedi mythos, and at the same time socially acceptable, it makes it even easier to play into the drama.

And of course that is why you get often singled out as a Persecuter. Ironically, this might make you “feel” like a victim, haha.




I think this is pretty spot on. It's this very thing that make so many here not actually be in pursuit of a spiritual wisdom but just simple role players or LARPers. These focuses on robes and light sabers and titles and self delusional ideas and actions that they are some form of modern day super hero are what keeps this place from its legitimate place in spiritual circles and it is what stifles individual growth in so many here.

You are right I went through that victim phase for a while but I never let it stop me from growth. I evolved past it and have seen so much more now. I never gave up as so many that progressed higher in the ranks than I have done. In fact as I have worked myself out of the temple ranks I have become a better Jedi in the process.

It always floors me when a knight will claim such a high standard in an oath of rank or office at this temple but the second things dont go as they want according to their biased view, temper tantrums and resignations are the result. I no longer follow the example of these so called "Jedi in name only" and have come to realize who the true Jedi of this place are. I now follow the example of people like you and Ren, who sit back and quietly contribute always without fail. In my mind jedi like you guys are the true jedi of this place. Quiet service without need of ego stroking.

I think that is the true lesson of this place, finding the ability to truly shed the delusion of super hero worship and become a true contributor to our reality both here and irl. I think this realization is the true single driving factor in the difference in mentality the OP asked for.

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17 Mar 2019 23:09 - 17 Mar 2019 23:28 #335788 by Kira
Well said Kyrin. I agree with the sentiments you've shared here. A long time ago, individual growth and mutual accountability was the group dynamic. Back then, there were no ranks and respect was earned and maintained over time. You couldn't expect to throw your rank around as a free pass to handwaive away your actions, you actually had to answer for them to the group. If you didn't satisfy the group when questioned, you lost respect. Simple really. Ultimately, I think excessive hierarchy and rank eventually hinders growth more than it helps.

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17 Mar 2019 23:18 #335789 by Adder
Well, if anyone has been reading recent posts I have to answer that for this that it is a process (rather then a statement) :D

But basically, shaping growth... mostly self, but others where its welcomed and possible. Finding a deeper awareness of essence through refinement of ones nature. The later being the product of essence and environment IMO. Which is interesting, because when that is the priority, it really makes those who are not on the same path stand out a mile :silly:

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18 Mar 2019 00:08 - 18 Mar 2019 00:15 #335790 by Manu

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: It's this very thing that make so many here not actually be in pursuit of a spiritual wisdom but just simple role players or LARPers. These focuses on robes and light sabers and titles and self delusional ideas and actions that they are some form of modern day super hero are what keeps this place from its legitimate place in spiritual circles and it is what stifles individual growth in so many here.


This should get its own separate thread. Right off the bat, I would declare a non sequitur on the inverse relationship between love for lightsabers and spiritual growth. And a “hero mythos” might be a meditation tool in driving purpose and training, so, your whole assessment is highly debatable, and perhaps outside the scope of this thread (I.e. deserves a thread of its own)

You are right I went through that victim phase for a while but I never let it stop me from growth. I evolved past it and have seen so much more now. I never gave up as so many that progressed higher in the ranks than I have done. In fact as I have worked myself out of the temple ranks I have become a better Jedi in the process.


If you were able to grow out of the Victim triangle, wouldn’t it make sense that others can as well? Give ‘em time.

It always floors me when a knight will claim such a high standard in an oath of rank or office at this temple but the second things dont go as they want according to their biased view, temper tantrums and resignations are the result.


It might have to do with the reverence that is built up around the rank itself. But all members, from guests to founders, are human, and thus may at one point or another make a mistake.

I no longer follow the example of these so called "Jedi in name only" and have come to realize who the true Jedi of this place are. I now follow the example of people like you and Ren, who sit back and quietly contribute always without fail. In my mind jedi like you guys are the true jedi of this place. Quiet service without need of ego stroking.


As much as I am flattered, I think it is a huge disservice to exclude other people as “real Jedi” that can offer valuable contribution, simply because I cannot grasp their point of view at this particular point in time. Wherever you look there is something to be seen, and all that...

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