Ways to experience an alien invasion

Humanity would probably first crash, how that would look I don't know. Some would probably surrender and be whatever. Some would hide, then organize and fight back. In the end we either get wiped out, enslaved or we have a years long war until our technology catches up in order to liberate ourselves. This is essentially the natural order of life forms interacting with each other. Technology levels play no role in the natural pattern of strife in all life forms. One wins out, one adapts, other adapts and evolves, repeat until there is no life left.

We often over look this natural pattern because we focus on our own impact on the environment. Just by existing we do kill things off, whether by pollution, expansion to even just bacteria and viruses evolving within us and spreading to other species. Honestly, an air borne virus from dogs could literally kill 98% of us. The rest evolve, reorganize and the species goes on repopulating in a different social form. This is without technology so adding tech just manipulates the mechanics not the end game.

In the end our species would continue to fight to survive, what that looks like is questionable. I like to think it would be like Independence Day.......Jeff Goldblum breaks computers on a system that in no way makes any sense being compatible with alien computers and then we all mop them up. However, Jeff is getting old so low probability now.

Much Love, Respect and Peace,
Kobos

Yabuturtle wrote: It's fine and I respect that so thank you. This was really more of a discussion on what to do in case it does happen which I think it likely will eventually in out future given our vast universe, assuming there's not another universe out there and we are one of many dimensions ect. And the more advanced one gets, the likely hood we are to encounter them and some may be hostile.

I understand it won't be everyone's cup of tea and people (Like Kyrin) assume that if I believe in one or more theories I believe in all of them. For all I know aliens are already here but I can't be certain but honestly would not be surprised due to how many secrets our government keeps, the abductions that have happened, roswell ect. Who knows if it is lizards, greys ect

Wait a minute now. You do believe in the world govt illuminati conspiracy and the fact that aliens crashed in Roswell right? So why is it so far fetched that aliens are working with the illuminati to enslave mankind? I want to know where the disconnect is between these two ideas?

For-Emris wrote: First of all. How do you imagine the negotiations with aliens? We do not know their language. They do not know ours. In order to learn a foreign language, you need a certain time. This is provided that you have a dictionary and textbook. But here - an absolutely new, unknown language.
If a conflict begins ... Everyone will choose for themselves what to do in this situation. But, the survival of the human race is a priority. More important than personal ambition, pride or the desire to maintain power.

Some don't really have to learn it. I wouldn't be surprised if they had translators or had telepathy (which some people who have had encounters with aliens actually claim some are telepathic but that's another story so who knows but again, not outside the realm of possibility)

The main reason why wars are fought are for territory and resources. Something to add to an empire or to take our resources to add it to their own. Although I don't doubt there are fanatical alien zealots out there that would impose what they consider the vision of a perfect world but our territory and resources are what they'd likely go after.

As a Starseed and Contactee (and thus inclined to identify with / as said aliens), i can definitely say that there are some real funny ideas going around. :blink: ?

I am not gonna say much, other than First Contact and such, is going to be alot more like sci-fi elements (especially things like Babylon 5 and Star Trek), than you would believe possible.

slavery, cannibalism, just ..... *head-desk* :pinch:

What is a Starseed/Contactee?

Arisaig wrote: What is a Starseed/Contactee?

Nm, needed to find out, so looked it up.

"Star seed or starseed may refer to: Star people (New Age belief), individuals who believe they originated from another world, dimension, or planet. Starseeds, space-traveling creatures used by Outsiders to plant life on planets in Larry Niven's Known Space science fiction series."

and a contactee is: a person who claims to have been contacted by alien beings, especially through an abduction.

Now, I like to think myself open minded... but you believe yourself to be extraterrestrial in nature? If so, then how are you also a contactee? Wouldn't being contacted by aliens, as an alien, just be... well, getting a call from mom? Or, if they're alien to you, that would mean anytime you talked to a human, as an extraterrestrial, would be 'alien contact'...

EDIT: further research on how one finds out if they're a Starseed, to me, looking at it, just seems like common symptoms of depression. "Feeling like an outsider" "Having a drive, but easily discouraged when it falls in on you" "Feeling trapped by your body".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDKRh48U69Y

From the Video:

Starseeds, otherwise known as “Homo Novis” are a mixture of ET and human DNA. They are a specific type of hybrid through augmentation. They possess empathy, telepathy, aura manipulation, rejuvenation and past lives memories.

I think we have discussed paranormal abilities here to quite a great extend and at best the conclusions are inconclusive but it seems the first part of this claim would be quite easy to prove the existence of these beings. A simple DNA test from Ancestry.com should do the trick quite nicely! Think of this amazing revelation. I wonder why this has not been done yet?

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: A simple DNA test from Ancestry.com should do the trick quite nicely! Think of this amazing revelation. I wonder why this has not been done yet?

I wonder what would happen if alien dna was put into one of our primitive tests. Would it come back 'unknown' (I've heard of cases of that happening, usually a small percentile ~<1%), or would it come back with a false positive (It says you're mostly Norweigian!... they say, to the obviously far eastern man).

Assuming that "alien DNA" is something that would even be a thing at all, and compatible with our own (big assumptions right there already), I'm not entirely sure that it would be similar enough to show as just some particularly exotic never-before-seen race of human. While we can pinpoint differences between each other very well indeed, we have to keep perspective here. Ancestry are not comparing the entire genome but only typically varying portions of it. Our overall genome is almost entirely identical to those of the other great apes. It is about 90% identical to those of rodents and something like half of it is still matching up with plants. My incredulity is by no means a strong argument, but I have no expectation at all that a human-extraterrestrial hybrid would show up as any kind of human at all, considering we would be sharing at most an insignificant portion of our evolutionary history.

Well my comment on ancestry.com was facetious but none the less the video goes on to claim that there are over a million of these starseeds on our planet in addition to a next evolution of mankind called a Homo Noeticus, a new breed of humans that have psionic and "multidimensional" powers. Talk about X-Men! They are apparently coming man!!

To answer some details of your questions, i identify as a Starseed based on past life memories, and a few thusfar minor meta-abilities, so, while this body may be (mostly?) earth human, i insofar as an individual, don't really identify as an erth human.

To put it into pop culture parlance, it is a combination of Jupiter Ascending, and james cameron's Avatar, but somewhat reversed, and a splash of this or that other sci-fi element, as needed ..... and not nearly so jam-packed with action, somewhat unfortunately. It is very ambient, and interspersed.

This Outsider conception of [Me] is further supported by the fact(?) that i regularly astral project 'starside' to a ship, and into an avatar body of the appearance of my former galactic self, to then awaken and participate in, whatever helpful way i can. (Sadly, the dynamic nature of my sleeping habits makes efforts at a given task, Difficult).There has also been a time or two when i have physically (and voluntarily) gone aboard a ship that has come down to earth.

The primary difference between 'Abductees' and 'Contactees', is that the contactee is awake during the encounter, and, however unlikely they would say no, still has a valid and respected choice to Not go with said galactic people. Abductees, conversely, have no choice, and are forcibly sedated and taken.

Have you spoken to a trained and licensed mental health professional about this before? I am not qualified to diagnose your condition, or whether you are being sincere at all, but if you are, I do suspect that you may be in dire need of medical attention. This does not sound healthy in the best case, and in the worst it might be positively dangerous to yourself and those around you. Please, try and find help.

As much as I'd love to think some people are a different species, it's just silly larping wish fulfilment.

Better to view things as finding solutions rather then fixing problems IMO (the focus is more towards building future then analyzing past), so if one has a regular, routine and controllable experience then its a great chance to explore new boundaries with objective reality! What can experiences like that bring back to this rocky place!?

Adder wrote: Better to view things as finding solutions rather then fixing problems IMO (the focus is more towards building future then analyzing past), so if one has a regular, routine and controllable experience then its a great chance to explore new boundaries with objective reality! What can experiences like that bring back to this rocky place!?

I for one really have no idea what you are trying to say here? Are you analyzing the OP or the recent posts? Isn't finding solutions just another way to say fixing problems? Those terms are interchangeable so how do you find them as contrasting? Building the future of what? How do you analyze past alien invasions? Do you have some special knowledge of the past that is not a part of general historical record? What rocky place? Do you mean this planet? Can you do a better job of explaining these concepts?

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Adder wrote: Better to view things as finding solutions rather then fixing problems IMO (the focus is more towards building future then analyzing past), so if one has a regular, routine and controllable experience then its a great chance to explore new boundaries with objective reality! What can experiences like that bring back to this rocky place!?

I for one really have no idea what you are trying to say here? Are you analyzing the OP or the recent posts? Isn't finding solutions just another way to say fixing problems? Those terms are interchangeable so how do you find them as contrasting? Building the future of what? How do you analyze past alien invasions? Do you have some special knowledge of the past that is not a part of general historical record? What rocky place? Do you mean this planet? Can you do a better job of explaining these concepts?

It's about 'how' things can be done. For most people (seemingly) it's too easy to just ignore doing things differently, and so what seems to happen is most people just pretend to know the fastest or best way, usually as taught, or previously handled. Doing the same thing and expecting different results means one is either stupid, or doesn't want different results because they are looking for your echo chamber concept. Or of course they just haven't realized how powerful the mind can be when it explores things in different types of focus.

As doing it those normal ways tends to lead to supporting subjective bias and other errors in critical thinking. So when when facing difference it's even more important to approach things from different paradigms, to allow more information to be explored and analyzed so that everyone can both learn more about it but also perhaps better decide an updated opinion on it - rather then just re-wearing the same worn suit. That does go back to the other thread as well, about what 'focus' represents.

So to the OP I think the focus should not be on our fear of losing our past, but our hope for building a better future.... while of course at all times being pragmatic and clear on who we are. The movie 'Arrival' is kewl about this topic.

Adder wrote: ... As doing it those normal ways tends to lead to supporting subjective bias and other errors in critical thinking. So when when facing difference it's even more important to approach things from different paradigms, to allow more information to be explored and analyzed so that everyone can both learn more about it but also perhaps better decide an updated opinion on it - rather then just re-wearing the same worn suit. That does go back to the other thread as well, about what 'focus' represents. (emphasis added)

For convenience I have highlighted the subject you are talking about, vaguely referred to by just "it". I'm having difficulty to find amidst this all the thing that you are actually talking about. It is not entirely clear to me that you are talking about anything at all, really. Are you?

Adder wrote: It's about 'how' things can be done. For most people (seemingly) it's too easy to just ignore doing things differently, and so what seems to happen is most people just pretend to know the fastest or best way, usually as taught, or previously handled. Doing the same thing and expecting different results means one is either stupid, or doesn't want different results because they are looking for your echo chamber concept. Or of course they just haven't realized how powerful the mind can be when it explores things in different types of focus.

As doing it those normal ways tends to lead to supporting subjective bias and other errors in critical thinking.

So exactly what are these different processes on how things can be done and how do they differ from what you call normal ways? What are these normal ways and how are they insufficient and thus the cause of bias?

I dont think any effective process also requires speed. And even if a side effect of the best process also produces speed why would we ever strive for a less effective or process proven to produce ineffective results?

This idea you have seems to only want to produce justifications for the use of logical fallacy in an attempt to discredit highly capable processes that expose your inability to accept the truth of a matter. You want to believe something so badly that you throw all this long worded justification around in an attempt to convince others and yourself that your faulty conclusions actually have merit if we can just accept your faulty premise. A premise that you are trying to describe as being unfairly judged so because of that it should be accepted. But Logic does not work this way and what you are actually creating are just strawmans.

Gisteron wrote:

Adder wrote: ... As doing it those normal ways tends to lead to supporting subjective bias and other errors in critical thinking. So when when facing difference it's even more important to approach things from different paradigms, to allow more information to be explored and analyzed so that everyone can both learn more about it but also perhaps better decide an updated opinion on it - rather then just re-wearing the same worn suit. That does go back to the other thread as well, about what 'focus' represents. (emphasis added)

For convenience I have highlighted the subject you are talking about, vaguely referred to by just "it". I'm having difficulty to find amidst this all the thing that you are actually talking about. It is not entirely clear to me that you are talking about anything at all, really. Are you?

To me the prior parts of the post indicate the 'it' you highlite, namely exploring and understanding concepts and ideas, ie communication. Versus compulsion to reiterate ones position by approaching everything from the same paradigm. It's the interplay between critical thinking and imaginative thinking under the auspices of exploration, with the purpose being to shape growth of self and others. It's part of how I see the Jedi path. How do you see the Jedi path in relation to this topic?

For one of the problems of being stuck in a narrow mindset is that one tends to only see that which appears relevant to their mindset, and cannot understand difference... inevitably even making their existence centered around a root of fear in being wrong or misunderstood. I think that is where compulsion becomes obsessive compulsion, and its a problem because they don't know its a problem. For after all, the definition of mental health is a more about effective functioning then meeting social norms or beliefs - and its those problems which are hidden which cause the most damage because they need to make a big impact before they wake up to it if they are a sociopath, or so big that society stops them if they are a psychopath. Meanwhile the rest of everyone else is probably not making a dent enough for it to be anything more then a chain around their own necks ie holding back their own progress.