A Jedi Retreat/Temple

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30 Apr 2017 19:11 #282547 by Jeffery Williams
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Lol, to be honest I gave up on this thread months ago from all of the negative feedback I got from this. However I have not given up on my dream, Im just going about it a different way. A lot say this is too expensive and too much work to be done but its not....
In less than 5 months I started my own Non-profit at the state level (pending IRS currently), got a group to help me, designed housing and an entire village that could be for a Jedi retreat (instead is for homeless veterans), got those plans licensed through an architectural firm, obtained partners, raised money, got a free place to work out of, and are almost done building the first house. I have done all of this while taking 15 credit hours in college, working part time, and still have tie to spend with family. Also my degree is not architecture but electrical engineering so this is completely out of my comfort zone here. We have more volunteers than we know what to do with sometimes, we have so many offers for land to be given to us we simply just need to pick one, and we have partners that are willing to provide additional help for these people. All of this has only cost me $200 out of pocket and none of us are rich, we are all college students. The point of this rant is that it can be done and it can be done from nothing. I feel we get caught up making excuses sometimes we dont look to see if it is possible.
Yes sometimes we fail, but why do we just give up? I have made many mistakes building this first house but I fixed it and kept going.
Some might read this and say that what I'm doing is different as it is tackling a problem such as homeless veterans but it really doesn't have to be. You could build a Jedi village and provide additional housing for the community's homeless to show the community you are giving back and are making a difference. Our village we are building will have housing on it for those taking care of the village, why cant these be Jedi?

Sorry, but I got tired of talking about this and started doing this.

“The man who thinks he can and the man who thinks he can't are both right.”
— Confucius

I can, and I will.

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30 Apr 2017 19:28 #282548 by Jeffery Williams
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Side note, Ive never built anything before in my life and I currently have $25 in my back account to last me till May 12th lol. Just to show your bank account or experience doesn't matter if you truly want to do something.

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30 Apr 2017 19:50 #282551 by Kit
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Jeffery Williams wrote: Side note, Ive never built anything before in my life and I currently have $25 in my back account to last me till May 12th lol. Just to show your bank account or experience doesn't matter if you truly want to do something.


I'd say there are three resources that are required for an individual to do just about anything.

Time, Experience, and Money.

It's a sliding scale. You can do with less of one, or without one by increasing one or two of the other requirements. You're SOL if you're missing two. To be realistic, sometimes 'want' just isn't enough.

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30 Apr 2017 20:00 #282553 by JamesSand
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Time, Experience, and Money.


Maybe "resources" instead of "money" - but let's not get into the intricate philosophy of money....


We have more volunteers than we know what to do with sometimes, we have so many offers for land to be given to us we simply just need to pick one, and we have partners that are willing to provide additional help for these people


And that's great! I'm glad you're having success and you've picked a "mission" that appeals to groups or individuals you've been able to get into contact with in order for them to lend time experience and resources :P

I am impressed an and glad for your project, but from a purely argumentative standpoint - Everything is still required, and being provided - just not by you :P
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30 Apr 2017 20:00 #282554 by Jeffery Williams
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So I guess I'm the exception then?
Because I'm able to do this without having money, and experience... If you truly want to do something you will motivate others and if you just don't give up it can be done. What I'm doing is a living example of that.

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30 Apr 2017 20:09 #282557 by MartaLina
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Jeffery Williams wrote: So I guess I'm the exception then?
Because I'm able to do this without having money, and experience... If you truly want to do something you will motivate others and if you just don't give up it can be done. What I'm doing is a living example of that.


Amen to that !!! I have my Jedi Temple right here , right now , and everyone is welcome , you dont need money for a Temple its right there with you ..

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30 Apr 2017 20:11 #282559 by Jeffery Williams
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You are correct everything is still required that is why it is best to work together. People tell me they would love to have a little Jedi retreat/village but then they spend more time arguing why it cant be done rather than working with those who can get it done. This is possible. I started with me, then I had a partner and then I had a group of 5. A group of 5 people with no money, experience, or time and we were able to grow our vision from a dream to reality.

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30 Apr 2017 20:20 #282560 by Jeffery Williams
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This is how we were successful:

We needed experience - so we went and got it
We needed money so we went and got it
We needed time to we increased from 1 to 5 people with no time to equal the amount of time needed to complete this.

If you need something for your dream, go and get it don't just give up.
When your hungry do you just starve? or do you get food?
Oh you need money for food? So you work for money to buy food
You don't have the experience for your job? So you learn

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30 Apr 2017 21:42 #282569 by Senan
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With all due respect, it isn't successful just yet. Until you are operating in the black, a lot can still go wrong.

I volunteer at a Lutheran mission that is well funded by federal and state grants along with money from the church. We feed and provide beds for 30 to 40 homeless every night. It has been open for 8 years and we still struggle everyday to keep the lights on. We own the building and volunteers do all of the cooking, cleaning and maintenance. All of the food is donated by churches and local restaurants. Still, one lost grant or donor and it will be over. One legal issue with the Dept. of Health or law enforcement and you're done. It will take 24/7 supervision, especially with homeless people there. It wears on volunteers quickly.

I admire your perseverance and dedication, but you should consider the opinions and experience of others as well. We are not just "naysayers" or too lazy to do it ourselves. We are pragmatic people with experiences of our own. You may be an exception now, but the end goal is a lasting successful Temple, not a legacy of failure. Your life will change when you finish school and priorities change. If you aren't in this for the long haul, you better prepare now for who will take the reins later. Property taxes and power bills and broken pipes are a reality and they don't care if you are Jedi or not. Insurance and permits are required regardless of how helpful you are to the community. Without the very committed people and consistent financial backing, it will die once the novelty wears off.

I say all this after learning from my own failures. We offer warnings simply because we don't want to see a dedicated Jedi fail.

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30 Apr 2017 21:47 #282570 by Kit
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Jeffery Williams wrote: So I guess I'm the exception then?
Because I'm able to do this without having money, and experience... If you truly want to do something you will motivate others and if you just don't give up it can be done. What I'm doing is a living example of that.


Wait, you posted this not too long ago:

Jeffery Williams wrote: All of this has only cost me $200 out of pocket


That's not a small sum. I could feed my family well for two weeks on that. It's an eighth of my rent, or a winter month's worth of gas and electric. I have nearly that much tucked away for a rainy day but that rainy day is coming up soon. I know others who don't have that capability.

Jeffery Williams wrote: This is how we were successful:

We needed experience - so we went and got it

Which requires time and often money.

We needed money so we went and got it

Which requires time and/or experience

We needed time to we increased from 1 to 5 people with no time to equal the amount of time needed to complete this.


uh...this either requires time (of the organizer if not the volunteers) or money (to pay your workers if they're not volunteers)

If you need something for your dream, go and get it don't just give up.
When your hungry do you just starve? or do you get food?
Oh you need money for food? So you work for money to buy food
You don't have the experience for your job? So you learn


You either need time and experience or money to get food... learning takes time. I'm glad you're doing what you say you're doing. What I'm concerned with is this fluffy "you can reach your dreams no matter what" bull shit. There's a way to attain your dreams, and sometimes you watch them crash and burn around you despite your best and total efforts. Your dream is to go build a Jedi village, whatever floats your boat man. Cheers from here. But me, for example, my goals are currently revolving around a simple "I hope I can keep a roof over my daughter's head, keep her fed, clothed, and happy." because I can no longer physically follow through on the dreams I had. And sometimes that happens.

My comment was to try and bring any readers down to earth in case they were floating away on the fluffy. There are things that are required to attain dreams and not everyone has those things. You also need to be quite a ways on Maslow's hierarchy of needs before doing so.
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