A Jedi Retreat/Temple

I like this one to mention, the hunting castle of King Francis I, Castle Chambord. (completed in 1554) I have been there several years ago during a short holiday stop to look around and I find the double-helix staircase from Leonardo da Vinci a beautiful construction.. With over the 440 rooms there is enough space and its exit of 8km / 4mi / 1708.906yd gives enough privacy.. Ehm.. It is too large, but the style looks lovely if it would be more simple. :blush:

Design ideas:

Location:
in an estate or nature park
easy accessible on the map
not close by a town or city
high on a mountain (less noise)

Building:
enough rooms
a central staircase
I like compact buildings
no unnecessary rooms
something not outrageous!
a high sealing with detail
preferably old or an old building style
a cozy feeling everywhere :blush:

Possible room ideas besides the usual stuff:
privacy places to be alone, like personal study rooms
secret meeting rooms and passages to make it more interesting*
a library with a closed section to store old valuable copies
one astronomical tower, including a telescope and planetarium
the lecture room that does not look boring + comfortable seats
a Jedi Chapel with organ :blink:
some places to practice arts and personal interests/ activities
rooms to create income.. like a museum/public tour section

JamesSand wrote: Firstly: Wow, the old folks were right - this subject does come up a lot :laugh:

I've been asking that this question and "How do Jedi feel about drugs?" be put in the FAQ, but people keep shooting me down. At one time, I also made a masterpost for all the "Do Jedi wear robes?" sorts of questions, but I don't have the link handy.

Codex wrote: I like this one to mention, the hunting castle of King Francis I, Castle Chambord. (completed in 1554) I have been there several years ago during a short holiday stop to look around and I find the double-helix staircase from Leonardo da Vinci a beautiful construction.. With over the 440 rooms there is enough space and its exit of 8km / 4mi / 1708.906yd gives enough privacy.. Ehm.. It is too large, but the style looks lovely if it would be more simple. :blush:

Design ideas:

Location:
in an estate or nature park
easy accessible on the map
not close by a town or city
high on a mountain (less noise)

Building:
enough rooms
a central staircase
I like compact buildings
no unnecessary rooms
something not outrageous!
a high sealing with detail
preferably old or an old building style
a cozy feeling everywhere :blush:

Possible room ideas besides the usual stuff:
privacy places to be alone, like personal study rooms
secret meeting rooms and passages to make it more interesting*
a library with a closed section to store old valuable copies
one astronomical tower, including a telescope and planetarium
the lecture room that does not look boring + comfortable seats
a Jedi Chapel with organ :blink:
some places to practice arts and personal interests/ activities
rooms to create income.. like a museum/public tour section

Warning: Spoiler!

Joking ...they r seriouserious about their lawn darts hu?

carlos.martinez3 wrote: Joking ...they r seriouserious about their lawn darts hu?

Hehe, no idea what weird games they play there Carlos! Maybe we should give it a try?

Chambord is just way, way, too big.. almost scary.. :blush: I really do like the old style and that is actually the only reason I like to show Chambord. These days people do not make nice stairs anymore, I enjoy those details so much that I miss is every time I enter a 'new build' place. It makes me sad that so many buildings are industrial made. And it is very special to see craftsmanship too, makes me happy.

Castles Schmastles.


My Jedi Retreat (Other that my actual house) looks like....

its so hilarious how most of you are against the idea of a physical place for jediism. on many levels that doesnt make sense to me.

-like in other religions one doesnt need own things if everything in a temple is shared. like in a monastery. you argue that you dont need physical things, but actually a monastry-like-place could mean to give up own physical things and have shared stuff.

-this forum is a place to meet and it is still kind of physical. there is a physical server and this place has a adress. it is helpful to have a place to meet.

-it is like a gym. a gym has special things to stay fit and do sports together. i am not a fan of going to a gym for jogging on a treadmill, cause you should do that outside. but still some exercises are better with training equip and a knowig training teacher to correct your mistakes. thats something a book or a video cant do. and for real, people hurt themselfs because of tthose mistakes.

-you always come up with the argument that is will be a fancy place. where does this come from? why is your mind making the picture of a fancy place? i can see a white room, some meditation pillows and a deep table. another room has a small library and a few tables to sit on and eat together or read and write. a dojo for physical teaining. not nore then a mid sized youth-club. this doesnt has to be a temple of a huge size (except its a monastry like one, then it needs to be bigger)


i dont want to say that it is nessesary or better, i just want to say that it has up and downsides. and as you can see jeffery has some good ideas what to do there for the community as well. he is not kust about building a house for own pleasure, but to make the qorld a better place.

Heut wrote: its so hilarious how most of you are against the idea of a physical place for jediism. on many levels that doesnt make sense to me.

Not sure what is "Hilarious" about it. Most if not all of us would love to see a physical place for Jediism. It is just that we are being practical. And some of us......Have tried. My home has been sanctuary to a great many Jedi. I am one of the leading founders and Organizer/Co Organizers of Jedi Gatherings and quite keenly understand the difficulty, work, and most importantly....Money...it takes to get 20...30....Jedi into one physical location. ((The stress and drama is un real, believe me.)) My husband even set in motion an actual physical place and Jedi bailed out on him.

Its not "Hilarious" at all. It's a pipe dream that many of us would love to see come true.....but lack the resources or passion to actually do it. In the end....Our real lives are more important. My husband is more important. My kids and their education is more important. Food and clothes and a small house they can sleep in is more important. A JOB. Is more important.

Besides.....most Jedi cant handle the Online Drama and Debates. Much less deal with it in person face to face on a consistent basis.

You want to meet Jedi once or twice a year? Come to a Gathering. There is going to be one In Ohio September 2017 I look forward to seeing some of you there. (And likely wont anyways....)

hey trisskar
thanks for the serious reply. cause this is what i was criticising as well. there had been so many joking-around-answers here that it seemed that nobody is taking the idea and discussion of jeffery earnest (is that possible to say in english?)

i can understand your reasoning pretty well. the world out there already takes huge amounts of ressources and time.
that is by the way is why monks and clerics had to be wifeless and living their life dedicated to the "god/religion"
so i would say its hard but possible to build up such a place. and it would be good to be in a big city, because otherwise there wont be enough interested people to go there regulary.

gatherings are really cool and important, but not the same as a real settled community. there had been reasons why you had to go to church one a week with your body. it forms a community, a bond between people.
gatherings are more compareable to a pilgramage.

thanks for the invitation but i m living in europe and wont be agle to hop the big lake

Heut wrote: hey trisskar
thanks for the serious reply. cause this is what i was criticising as well. there had been so many joking-around-answers here that it seemed that nobody is taking the idea and discussion of jeffery earnest (is that possible to say in english?)

i can understand your reasoning pretty well. the world out there already takes huge amounts of ressources and time.
that is by the way is why monks and clerics had to be wifeless and living their life dedicated to the "god/religion"
so i would say its hard but possible to build up such a place. and it would be good to be in a big city, because otherwise there wont be enough interested people to go there regulary.

gatherings are really cool and important, but not the same as a real settled community. there had been reasons why you had to go to church one a week with your body. it forms a community, a bond between people.
gatherings are more compareable to a pilgramage.

thanks for the invitation but i m living in europe and wont be agle to hop the big lake

We have quite a few members "across the lake" who get together at least once a year if not more so I believe...

Heut wrote: its so hilarious how most of you are against the idea of a physical place for jediism. on many levels that doesnt make sense to me.

No one is against it. If you want to go ahead and build a temple, build it. Some of us here have limited time and resources, so at least in my case it would be at the very bottom of my list.

That said, I believe Freemasonry functions with "Lodges", where every member's house is a meeting place for other members, and serves as temporal housing for travellers. This approach might be more efficient, especially considering how scattered Jedi are around the world.

I'm personally biased, I must admit, living in Ecuador, away from most of you.

Heut wrote: i dont want to say that it is nessesary or better, i just want to say that it has up and downsides. and as you can see jeffery has some good ideas what to do there for the community as well. he is not kust about building a house for own pleasure, but to make the qorld a better place.

Jeffrey's project seems worthy, but from what I've read the idea of a Jedi Temple is being forced into it. The point is, it is a worthwhile project, calling it a Jedi Retreat/Temple only makes it sound cooler, and does not contribute in any other way.

Yea, the fact is we all know it cost money to do the things we dream. The way I see it these many request and many more on the subject may lead to some small cabin in the back of the property or a home out reach. Every one knows shits expensive, flat out but some day one of us may.... some day one of us might, a few of us, all of us you never know, the potential for every human is always possible every day and every moment.
If I had the means trust me there would be more communes and hospitals than stores. think about that one for a bit if you dont mind. Nothing wrong with dreaming.
if you need an invitation here it is

Invitation
if your a dreamer, come in,
If your a dreamer, a wisher, a liar, a hope-er, a pray-er, a magic bean buyer...
If your a pretender, come sit by MY fire
For we have some flax-golden tales to spin,
Come in!
Come in!

Shel S.
Where the sidewalk ends
1974

Heut wrote: there had been so many joking-around-answers here that it seemed that nobody is taking the idea and discussion of jeffery earnest (is that possible to say in english?)

This would be because the subject is so old and tired and talked about so frequently that people must joke in order to keep from being overly critical (As you will shortly see below). Its no longer an earnest topic....just a stupidly common one.

And that means no disrespect to Jeffery. But as Manu mentioned....it seems to have good intentions but forced on the wings of something entirely different.

that is by the way is why monks and clerics had to be wifeless and living their life dedicated to the "god/religion"

Jedi. To me....Does not resemble Monks. I would never give up my life for Jedi. Jedi is meant to be part of the life I have not part of a sacrifice i give.

gatherings are really cool and important, but not the same as a real settled community. there had been reasons why you had to go to church one a week with your body. it forms a community, a bond between people.
gatherings are more compareable to a pilgramage.

You clearly have not been to a gathering then One might argue that the bonds of us who meet up once or twice a year is stronger than any bond one might form on a constant daily basis. Such an environment creates a stagnation of familiarity, regret, and negativity.

thanks for the invitation but i m living in europe and wont be agle to hop the big lake

Mhm Such is the excuse often received. "Dedicate your life to a temple!! But I don't have time for a weekend across seas."

Again....Meaning no disrespect.... But you did seem interested in Honest answers

Simple fact is...If we can't even give value to the small things like a Gathering. Then there is no way in hell we can ever see a physical temple hold shape and form.

would it be possible to merge all the temple threads together and sticky it so that new ones dont come up every 2 months?

or just sticky this one? or the last one?
or the one before that which iirc was the best one?

or maybe the "your ideal temple grounds" which was less "we need a temple" and more" how would you design a temple in your perfect world?" which was kind of fun lol

new people dont know that its been done to death and its not their fault that everyone else is tired of it, but it HAS been done to death and everyone else IS tired of it lol so a stickie seems like it would solve the whole thing?

and is it "sticky" or "stickie" in this context? lol

Why not just create a new thread

And then just list all of the temple threads links into the one with Categories for Library purposes? It would require a volunteer to put it all together though im sure. Once complete, someone could pin it

in fact....give me a bit. I got nothing to do for the next hour

This would be because the subject is so old and tired and talked about so frequently that people must joke in order to keep from being overly critical (As you will shortly see below). Its no longer an earnest topic....just a stupidly common one.

though i understand that it gets annoying. it is not fair and nice to start taking others not serious anymore.
the idea to put up some site with links to the old discussions is nice, but in the end new people have to think their own thought and talk about it again. if you dont have anything helpful to contribute, then just dont.

And that means no disrespect to Jeffery. But as Manu mentioned....it seems to have good intentions but forced on the wings of something entirely different.

i can see that, but i think thats making sense in a way as well. but yeah this is a other thing to discuss about.

Jedi. To me....Does not resemble Monks. I would never give up my life for Jedi. Jedi is meant to be part of the life I have not part of a sacrifice i give.

mh to me a jedi are kind of monks. the first thing in the IP is about the adventure of the hero, someone who gives his life for the bigger.
dont get me wrong. all good with meditating once or twice a week and beeing a nice person in general. but i think there are different levels of dedication to the topic wich all have their right to exist. and to be like buddha or jesus are quite big aims.

You clearly have not been to a gathering then One might argue that the bonds of us who meet up once or twice a year is stronger than any bond one might form on a constant daily basis. Such an environment creates a stagnation of familiarity, regret, and negativity.

i wasnt saying that gathering arent super nice and important. i have freinds from far and we max see every few years and its a special time always

Mhm Such is the excuse often received. "Dedicate your life to a temple!! But I don't have time for a weekend across seas."

haha i m living of 450€ a month. just think about that and calculate. i mean, for real, all food, clothes, fun time. i can save 50-100 in a month if i try hard.
and by the way, flying that distance for a weekend is the absolute opposite of taking responsibility for our planet.

Heut wrote: though i understand that it gets annoying. it is not fair and nice to start taking others not serious anymore. the idea to put up some site with links to the old discussions is nice, but in the end new people have to think their own thought and talk about it again.

Absolutely But it is kind of give or take thing here....I don't think anyone here has disrespected the Idea and thought presented by Jeffery. In fact some even went the extra mile to put up their dream (im still looking for my file) Take the good and ignore the assumed "Bad"

if you dont have anything helpful to contribute, then just dont.

Correct....but criticizing people for being "Hilarious" is no better There are reason....stick to your game. Let others do theirs.

mh to me a jedi are kind of monks. the first thing in the IP is about the adventure of the hero, someone who gives his life for the bigger.

Again a matter of interpretation. You have no idea what I gave up to be where I am....I have to live with that bitter pill. In fact I just got reminded of it just a moment ago. (Mom called...) Im not about to repeat that adventure nor am I the only one who has a story of pain and loss for the Journey.

haha i m living of 450€ a month. just think about that and calculate. i mean, for real, all food, clothes, fun time. i can save 50-100 in a month if i try hard. and by the way, flying that distance for a weekend is the absolute opposite of taking responsibility for our planet.

Thus serves my point. Do you really think any of us here are living in any better conditions? Where in your finances do you have the time, money or ability to build a temple for Jedi?

I am married and have two kids. We live off of my husbands ONLY Income and barely have enough to keep this house from falling over our heads (Literally - The repair costs are crushing) My husband is currently on the teetertoter between keeping a job and losing it and I am saving dollars and pennys just so my daughters can go to dance class next year. And its now been 15 years of "I will see my family across the country....next year." because we cannot afford $4000 to travel.

This is just barely touching the ice burg to the problem of Jedi Temples.

Trisskar wrote:

Heut wrote: though i understand that it gets annoying. it is not fair and nice to start taking others not serious anymore. the idea to put up some site with links to the old discussions is nice, but in the end new people have to think their own thought and talk about it again.

Absolutely But it is kind of give or take thing here....I don't think anyone here has disrespected the Idea and thought presented by Jeffery. In fact some even went the extra mile to put up their dream (im still looking for my file) Take the good and ignore the assumed "Bad"

if you dont have anything helpful to contribute, then just dont.

Correct....but criticizing people for being "Hilarious" is no better There are reason....stick to your game. Let others do theirs.

mh to me a jedi are kind of monks. the first thing in the IP is about the adventure of the hero, someone who gives his life for the bigger.

Again a matter of interpretation. You have no idea what I gave up to be where I am....I have to live with that bitter pill. In fact I just got reminded of it just a moment ago. (Mom called...) Im not about to repeat that adventure nor am I the only one who has a story of pain and loss for the Journey.

haha i m living of 450€ a month. just think about that and calculate. i mean, for real, all food, clothes, fun time. i can save 50-100 in a month if i try hard. and by the way, flying that distance for a weekend is the absolute opposite of taking responsibility for our planet.

Thus serves my point. Do you really think any of us here are living in any better conditions? Where in your finances do you have the time, money or ability to build a temple for Jedi?

I am married and have two kids. We live off of my husbands ONLY Income and barely have enough to keep this house from falling over our heads (Literally - The repair costs are crushing) My husband is currently on the teetertoter between keeping a job and losing it and I am saving dollars and pennys just so my daughters can go to dance class next year. And its now been 15 years of "I will see my family across the country....next year." because we cannot afford $4000 to travel.

This is just barely touching the ice burg to the problem of Jedi Temples.

The possible not absolute problems friend ... smiley face

carlos.martinez3 wrote: The possible not absolute problems friend ... smiley face

Sure You all are welcome to come stay in my Spider Shed I might one day get the funds to turn it into a studio.....One day.


white/glowy house in the back corner

Well still digging :laugh: But here is where i am compiling. Feel free to PM me if you find one's im missing! Currently on Open Discussions page 24 https://docs.google.com/document/d/109mp8rVNhCiorE4it2eaqBprH3CnPofBnxtDVegZF44/edit