Should jedi stay out of politcal office

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7 years 6 months ago #259366 by ren
The system always wins because it leads you to believe there is such a thing as changing the system for another. It's the same system, just clowns with different makeup repainting the facade to better pretend it is brand new...

In other words, you dropped the crown for a flag, a british red ensign with additional stripes sewn onto so people can see a difference.

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7 years 6 months ago #259369 by

ren wrote: The system always wins because it leads you to believe there is such a thing as changing the system for another. It's the same system, just clowns with different makeup repainting the facade to better pretend it is brand new...

In other words, you dropped the crown for a flag, a british red ensign with additional stripes sewn onto so people can see a difference.


Tell that to the blacks that were freed and after that given the right to vote. Oh also the women who were later given the right to vote. Marajuana is becoming legal, gays and lesbians now have the right to marry in any state just to name a few instances off the top of my head that were enacted by our govt because of the will of the people. Yea the wheels turn slow and the road may be extremely crooked sometimes but the system still moves forward. The system isnt sentient, it cant "win" anything. Its the people that matter and with an attitude of indifference like yours of course nothing will change. Im just glad not everyone thinks like you do. I for one would rather fight the fight than sit back and whine that things are hopeless so why even try. Is that really a jedi attitude - to just give up when things get tough or seem impossibly difficult?

If the feds seem overwhelmimg then get involved at the state level or the city level. I commend guys like jestor for making those sorts of sacrifices and standing up for something and making that difference. Guys like him dont whine about how bad it is, they get involved and pick up that mantle of leadership and strive forward for what they believe in no matter how steep the climb or frustrating the fight! They dont give up and to me thats a Jedi!

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7 years 6 months ago #259372 by

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:
Tell that to the blacks that were freed


They weren't freed until Lyndon B. Johnson passed the Civil Rights Law in '64. Black people suffered (and still do) social degradation, political nullification and economical exploitation at the hands of the white man, to quote Malcolm X.

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7 years 6 months ago - 7 years 6 months ago #259414 by

Silas Mercury wrote:

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:
Tell that to the blacks that were freed


They weren't freed until Lyndon B. Johnson passed the Civil Rights Law in '64. Black people suffered (and still do) social degradation, political nullification and economical exploitation at the hands of the white man, to quote Malcolm X.


Fine, whatever. How does that affect the fact that they were also freed from slavery after the civil war. Your point only serves to reinforce mine as another example of change under the will of the people. Try making any of these sorts of changes under a socialist or communist or dictatorship govt and see how far you get! Lol
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7 years 6 months ago #259417 by Jestor
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ren wrote: The system always wins because it leads you to believe there is such a thing as changing the system for another. It's the same system, just clowns with different makeup repainting the facade to better pretend it is brand new...

In other words, you dropped the crown for a flag, a british red ensign with additional stripes sewn onto so people can see a difference.


Yes...

We go from one "system" to another...

Our related family (mom and dad, etc) to our created family (spouse, in-laws, kids, friends)...

Home system to school system to job system....

Nothing is stand alone, we are all connected...

If you place yourself outside the system, well, that's on you... But, its only a "mental" distinction....

You are a part of the "matrix", you cannot escape, only awaken to the fact... :)

On walk-about...

Sith ain't Evil...
Jedi ain't Saints....


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7 years 6 months ago #260121 by

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: socialist or communist or dictatorship govt and see how far you get! Lol


Why do you group socialism and communism with dictatorship ?? I'm a proud socialist, and disagree.

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7 years 6 months ago #260124 by MadHatter

Silas Mercury wrote:

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: socialist or communist or dictatorship govt and see how far you get! Lol


Why do you group socialism and communism with dictatorship ?? I'm a proud socialist, and disagree.


Why? Well point out one of those governments that has not lead to dictatorship or a nanny state?

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7 years 6 months ago - 7 years 6 months ago #260129 by OB1Shinobi

Silas Mercury wrote:

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: socialist or communist or dictatorship govt and see how far you get! Lol


Why do you group socialism and communism with dictatorship ?? I'm a proud socialist, and disagree.


"Communist regimes" refers to those countries who declared themselves to be socialist states under the Marxist-Leninist, Stalinist, or Maoist definition (in other words, "communist states") at some point in their history."

http://reason.com/blog/2013/03/13/communism-killed-94m-in-20th-century

"94 million ... perished in China, the Soviet Union, North Korea, Afghanistan, and Eastern Europe"

"During the century measured, more people died as a result of communism than from homicide (58 million) and genocide (30 million) put together. "

"Curiously, all of the world’s worst famines during the 20th century were in communist countries: China (twice!), the Soviet Union, and North Korea."

i actually dont like wikipedia but durn its so convenient

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

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People are complicated.
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7 years 6 months ago #260886 by
I still believe that we Jedi should try to give ourselves a small amount of power. We would always use it for good. And yet, some of you, after pledging your allegiance to the code, still insist on voting for that buffoon Trump.

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7 years 6 months ago #260887 by x57z12

Silas Mercury wrote: We would always use it for good.

They say power corrupts. They don't say that without reason.
Also I personally regard this as a spiritual journey and would not want to encumber it with the
burdens and "other qualities" being a politician encompasses.
Last but not least I see nothing in the code that would keep anyone from voting for him, regardless
of whether that is a good idea or not. I would be interested in a argument based solemnly on these
5 lines of code wherein you prove we should not vote for people such as him. Mind you we are speaking
of the code, I would not ask this if you chose the entire doctrine as a base for your argument.
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