Is there more?

Is there more ? Than we can see , feel or measure ?

Why ?
Why not ?

There is more than we can explain through words. The question is very difficult to address because one can say 'yes, there is more', but can find themselves incapable of elaborating any more than that.

Other forms of communication seem sometimes to come closer to showing us the gateway to this 'more' - ask yourself, have you ever felt, or even understood, something that you can't explain from looking at a piece of art, or listening to a piece of music?

But we are not so fluent in those languages, and so we revert back to the safety of trying to translate them into the linear language of words, and continue to flummox ourselves - 'more must just be some idealistic fantasy notion that I've invented in my head, because I can't explain it'...

When we find ourselves content to simply be with music, art, nature, the clouds (a personal favourite), our loved ones...there we will find 'more', and will know that not being able to explain it verbally takes nothing whatseoever away from it, or from our experience of it...

It depends on what we mean by "is", "there", and "more than we can see, feel, or measure". There are things we can infer from what we can see, feel, or measure, but then one could call that "seeing, feeling, or measuring ndirectly". Then there is stuff like numbers, but what would we mean by saying they "are there"? What does "are" mean and where is this "there"? The naive phrase "there exists" as we know it from formal logic, be it a quantifier or a predicate is often left undefined and more often still seems not to refer to the same kind of existence we ascribe to items out in the real world. I would say that there are perhaps different kinds of "to be there" and the confusion and debate that arise on this topic comes because we have the same expression for two so distinct concepts - an equivocation, if you will.

If we can't see, feel, or measure it - What difference does it make if there is? (or is not?)

:huh:

JamesSand wrote: If we can't see, feel, or measure it - What difference does it make if there is? (or is not?)

:huh:

The easy one: you can't see, feel, or measure it, but it affects you anyway.

Atticus wrote:

JamesSand wrote: If we can't see, feel, or measure it - What difference does it make if there is? (or is not?)

:huh:

The easy one: you can't see, feel, or measure it, but it affects you anyway.

Is that not feeling it? Or are we talking about strictly sense of touch?

Parnerium wrote:

Atticus wrote:

JamesSand wrote: If we can't see, feel, or measure it - What difference does it make if there is? (or is not?)

:huh:

The easy one: you can't see, feel, or measure it, but it affects you anyway.

Is that not feeling it? Or are we talking about strictly sense of touch?

Not strictly sense of touch, but we can be affected by things that we cannot consciously feel, can we not? The example I used elsewhere yesterday was how being around certain people affects my own mood, and it really has nothing to do with whether I like or dislike the other person, or even really know the other person. I imagine it's something on a vibratory level, but I can't feel anything. I only know it's there by the effect that I perceive in my emotional state.

Atticus wrote: Not strictly sense of touch, but we can be affected by things that we cannot consciously feel, can we not? The example I used elsewhere yesterday was how being around certain people affects my own mood, and it really has nothing to do with whether I like or dislike the other person, or even really know the other person. I imagine it's something on a vibratory level, but I can't feel anything. I only know it's there by the effect that I perceive in my emotional state.

Ah, okay. I would use the word "feel" for that because you feel differently. You feel the affects of other people's moods. So we were just talking past each other a little bit.

MartaLina wrote: Is there more ? Than we can see , feel or measure ?

Why ?
Why not ?

More what?

You couldnt have possibly been anymore vague.

Khaos wrote:

MartaLina wrote: Is there more ? Than we can see , feel or measure ?

Why ?
Why not ?

More what?

You couldnt have possibly been anymore vague.

Really? Try to give it a go anyway , others did , i am sure you can come up with something?

Edit: and i can ..be more vague