What's Wrong With Liberals (And Conservatives)?

Br. John wrote: It does not bother me. PM if you want or discuss it here. I like seeing how things are going in different countries and the sociological differences. Why is it in The US police kill somebody every day but it's so rare in The UK? Am I wrong about that?

In terms of that, I would say that you're not wrong and its probably down to the fact that 90% of our police officers don't have guns, so its very difficult for them to shoot someone. And even if its a counter terror unit that is armed, most criminals in the UK don't have guns, so if a suspect reaches into their pocket, for example, the officers initial thought probably isn't to think that the individual is reaching for a gun (its far more likely to be a knife in the UK).

EDIT: or an air-soft gun, see below article from last month regarding armed police in the UK:

http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/24/british-police-deal-with-suspected-gunman-without-killing-him-6025411/

Br. John wrote: It does not bother me. PM if you want or discuss it here. I like seeing how things are going in different countries and the sociological differences. Why is it in The US police kill somebody every day but it's so rare in The UK? Am I wrong about that?

I will get the popcorn , whiskey and other substances , this is going to be a long thread ...

MartaLina wrote:

Br. John wrote: It does not bother me. PM if you want or discuss it here. I like seeing how things are going in different countries and the sociological differences. Why is it in The US police kill somebody every day but it's so rare in The UK? Am I wrong about that?

I will get the popcorn , whiskey and other substances , this is going to be a long thread ...

LMAO! :laugh: we have now gone TOTALLY of topic, at least before we were still talking politics lol

MartaLina wrote:

Br. John wrote: It does not bother me. PM if you want or discuss it here. I like seeing how things are going in different countries and the sociological differences. Why is it in The US police kill somebody every day but it's so rare in The UK? Am I wrong about that?

I will get the popcorn , whiskey and other substances , this is going to be a long thread ...

Oh I will never post on here after a belt or two of Scotch, especially on anything contentious. That would loosen the tongue too much and the sailor would creep out..... that would be bad mmmmkay.

Because, and no offence, Americans have gunpowder in their blood. Give an American a gun, he will want to fire it immediately. Give an Englishman a gun, and he will say "Tally ho, we'll go duck hunting later after a cup of earl grey !"

We had the sh*t bombed out of us in WW2. You guys swooped in last minute and saved the day. You are quick on the draw. We take a little more time to think about what we are about to do.

Silas Mercury wrote: Because, and no offence, Americans have gunpowder in their blood. Give an American a gun, he will want to fire it immediately. Give an Englishman a gun, and he will say "Tally ho, we'll go duck hunting later after a cup of earl grey !"

We had the sh*t bombed out of us in WW2. You guys swooped in last minute and saved the day. You are quick on the draw. We take a little more time to think about what we are about to do.

Cleared up via PM so I will edit this to reflect that. Thank you Silas for listening and being polite.

Silas Mercury wrote: Because, and no offence, Americans have gunpowder in their blood. Give an American a gun, he will want to fire it immediately. Give an Englishman a gun, and he will say "Tally ho, we'll go duck hunting later after a cup of earl grey !"

We had the sh*t bombed out of us in WW2. You guys swooped in last minute and saved the day. You are quick on the draw. We take a little more time to think about what we are about to do.

The American Government, I want to say specifically Congress? (you're political system confuses me) recently had a massive sit in to try and get a discussion about strengthening gun control in the US so to tar ALL Americans with that brush is a bit harsh.

What your describing is how the UK jokingly perceives the stereotypical gun wielding cowboy American. Very few American are actually like that. If you think about how many members here are from the US? They don't all go running around shooting things.

At least i hope they don't :laugh:

Oh yes, I remember now, you're in the Navy ..... Sorry, if I offended anyone. I understand that my beliefs may come across a little .... controversial.

Great article.

" Haidt has a message for both sides. He wants the left to acknowledge that the right's emphasis on laws, institutions, customs and religion is valuable. Conservatives recognize that democracy is a huge achievement and that maintaining the social order requires imposing constraints on people. Liberal values, on the other hand, also serve important roles: ensuring that the rights of weaker members of society are respected; limiting the harmful effects, such as pollution, that corporations sometimes pass on to others; and fostering innovation by supporting diverse ideas and ways of life."

For me though I think that the extreme ends of our left-right spectrum are somewhat forced onto the populace by the media and puppet masters to keep everyone divided, clinging to their favorite 'team' and defending it at all costs so that the status quo can be maintained. The left and right wings belong to the same bird, using people on both sides to fulfill different parts to the same agenda by distracting everyone with the nitpicky issues while keeping them serving the debt system, keeping all people, states, countries in line or else bring in the civil unrest, terrorism and recessions.

A lot of people are sick of the status quo and as mentioned in John's other thread that Trump is popular because he's that wild guy wanting to shake things up, but that's just as bad as keeping the status quo as they're both encouraging violence and hardship. Our survival is dependent on finding this middle ground and walking that path, otherwise we're headed for civil wars and a more active cold war all over again and the process will repeat, while the same families who profited and flourished last time will again and at that point we will have a split in the species. Normal people being reduced to savage animals, then superhumans with all their wealth and new technologies for control and supreme lifestyles.

Brick wrote:

Br. John wrote: It does not bother me. PM if you want or discuss it here. I like seeing how things are going in different countries and the sociological differences. Why is it in The US police kill somebody every day but it's so rare in The UK? Am I wrong about that?

In terms of that, I would say that you're not wrong and its probably down to the fact that 90% of our police officers don't have guns, so its very difficult for them to shoot someone. And even if its a counter terror unit that is armed, most criminals in the UK don't have guns, so if a suspect reaches into their pocket, for example, the officers initial thought probably isn't to think that the individual is reaching for a gun (its far more likely to be a knife in the UK).

EDIT: or an air-soft gun, see below article from last month regarding armed police in the UK:

http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/24/british-police-deal-with-suspected-gunman-without-killing-him-6025411/

There's also a general difference in culture.. police in the UK act 'under consent' from the population.. they are 'for' the population (even if their actions don't always reflect that... I am generalising)... in the US, I get the impression, that some police forces are becoming more militarised 'against' the people (I'm not saying all are, but from what I've read).

Even in cases where someone has a gun, police in the UK may get the firearms officers out, but shooting isn't the first option, it's the last.