Is the enemy evil?

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13 Jun 2016 20:00 #244902 by Brenna
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Worth three minutes of your time and even has star wars references.

https://www.facebook.com/ajplusenglish/videos/744058605735649/



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Part of the seduction of most religions is the idea that if you just say the right things and believe really hard, your salvation will be at hand.

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13 Jun 2016 20:07 #244905 by Jestor
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It was indeed worth the time to watch...

Thanks.. :)

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13 Jun 2016 20:11 - 13 Jun 2016 20:14 #244909 by Leah Starspectre
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THANK YOU for posting this :)

This is what I've been trying to express, but am not clever or experienced enough to do so :P
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13 Jun 2016 20:17 #244911 by Adder
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Well, not 'anything', in fact that is usually the point of those movies... to demonstrate the extents of oppression in the story and also then the way in which the rebels navigate dealing with them without losing their identities. She is guilty of her opening, simplifying the narrative - but granted for a good cause, listening is vital.

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13 Jun 2016 20:25 #244912 by Brenna
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Adder wrote: Well, not 'anything', in fact that is usually the point of those movies... to demonstrate the extents of oppression in the story and also then the way in which the rebels navigate dealing with them without losing their identities. She is guilty of her opening, simplifying the narrative - but granted for a good cause, listening is vital.


Sure,

But what I really wanted to focus on was the line "Everybody believes they are the good guy"

Again i think thats oversimplified, but we keep forgetting that there is a far more complex issue at play here, and that, as it so often is with any kind of extreme action, the people engaging in it believe that it is justified and often, the right thing to do.

Thats what makes it so dangerous.... and so difficult to deal with.



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Thank you for sharing this :)

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13 Jun 2016 20:48 #244919 by Breeze el Tierno
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I appreciated her point about the enemy being a policy, a law, or an action, rather than a "subhuman psycho."

Only so much depth can be packed in a few minutes, but it was an excellent video. Thanks for posting.
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13 Jun 2016 20:55 #244922 by Rex
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This is very 1984 "War is Peace"-esque.
Thanks for posting

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13 Jun 2016 20:57 - 13 Jun 2016 20:59 #244924 by
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CIA officer: ,,The only real way to disarm your enemy is to listen to them. If you hear them out, if you are brave enough to really listen to their story you can see that more often than not, you might have made some of the same choices if you would lived their life instead of yours.''


She attempts to say that many people are not listening to others? Why are people not motivated to try to listen, and what creates this motivation? How can a Jedi improve the motivation to listen in other people?
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13 Jun 2016 20:58 - 13 Jun 2016 20:59 #244925 by Adder
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Brenna wrote: But what I really wanted to focus on was the line "Everybody believes they are the good guy"


I'm glad it isn't the the 'ones persons freedom fighter is another persons terrorist' line of argument - because I think that one misses the actual difference between those two things, being the conduct of operations (who is being targeted).

But yea, this is a very valid point for movements; engineering emotional contagion, brainwashing, misinformation... building hatred for 'them' as an avenue to cement intergroup dynamics, demonizing 'them' and then directly blaming 'them' for all the bad things happening to us. Building a bias so strong into people they no longer question even readily apparent contradiction to their worldview, and then motivating it to drive action for some leadership groups plan. Given the amphetamine fueled misogynist culture of the IS there is the risk it will drive them deep into delusions.

But to the strength of a subjective view.... not everyone has access to the same levels of information to make the same levels of decision about the nature of the things they are judging. So her message is really important, listen to them and understand them, but also know who you are and where each of our limits are. What we don't know might be the most important piece in the puzzle sometimes. Unfortunately their, or our own, subjective experience is never really going to be able to inform us of the bigger picture, by definition its limited to our own point of view... so the more informed the better!!

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