The value of "time in the community"

Alethea Thompson wrote: Our knights are consistent of.....

Who's knights? It gets a bit hard to follow when Jedi from other sites come here and complain about 'community' stuff, whether it be each other or us or both :silly:

if someone is so fragile that text off a screen can seriously hurt them for much of the rest of their week, maybe the internet really isn't that good a place for them.

This.



I can say, that for me, I have been a part of the Jedi communities for a long but time as a member of the Dark path. Still, I have debated, discussed, argued, etc with Jedi the whole of the time.

Only at TotJO have I seen such a level of....sensitivity. To the point it feel like every week there are more and more post dedicated to " My feeling are hurt" or something of the like. Which makes this a place that frankly holds little value for me as a resource because I feel like I am walking on eggshells around a bunch of children who cannot handle adult interaction. Because a lot of the time, the grievances posted about are just not that big a deal.

Now, I am fully aware that my cultural background comes from the other side of the fence, in the Dark path we have our own norm or social interaction. Still, there was a time when Jedi gave as good as they got. Now, there is much more whining, complaining, and butthurt.

More than anything else. To the point where its not even about the topic of discussion anymore, but how people "feel", the problem with that is, well, if you cannot even handle little bit of roughness on the internet, how the hell are you dealing with the stuff that comes up in every day life? Even further as Jedi?

Yes, I just said that, I know there was recently a discussion about people pointing " A jedi acts, or doesnt act as this or that" is not right, except, you are Jedi, and they shouldnt be acting like a little kid with a skinned knee. Yes, I basically said nut up, because your adults, and if you have any experience on the road of life, much less the Jedi path, you know it gives 0 F$%$#$^ about you and will kick you in the teeth without blinking an eye.

I know, not everyone is ready , or at that level, etc. To which I point above to Gisterons reply.

Your not ready to even attempt the Jedi path, much less discuss topics on the internet.

People are not made of sugar.

As for the matter of time in, well, I am of two schools of thought on that, because experience is important, and anyone with a real student mind wants to pick the brain of someone with more experience on the path they have chosen.

"What have you done lately?" is what it comes down to for me.

Do not use it to seek privilege.

Do not use it to lord over others.

Do not use it to rest on your laurels

Use it as a method of imparting history, and perhaps a different methodology of the Jedi path. Use it as a way to build on what others are doing, and to make what exists now stronger. Use it as an example of what a Jedi could be.

Yes, in the old days we were.....harder for lack of a better term.You needed to have your emotional and mental S$^$ together, and be ready to be responsible for the words of your voice and to have the constitution and fortitude to endure, learn, and give as good as you got. It was much more a savage garden but it grew well. We still respected each other. While we didnt necessarily agree with what the other person, group,etc, said, we would also fight for there right to say it and be what they were.

I have made friends for life from those times, connections that have lasted almost 2 decades.

Not much more to say.

Experience born from time in is important, and people, students especially should be able to acknowledge that and want to get what they can from it. Time in though, is of course not everything. It doesnt mean that your experience, and the subsequent knowledge should be taken out of hand, and it affords you no special privilege, you still need to walk your talk and be the example in the present, which will only add weight to your experience, time in, and present.

Sensitivity, it's a consequence of connection, and from connection comes complexity. Blunt tools have a use as well, but instead of dreaming about what to do when SHTF, go out and make SHTF
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Sorry, I was talking to Connor and kind of forgot others wouldn't know the context. The order I'm referring to is Force Academy.

Ally, I'm speaking specifically about the earliest periods of FA history. From its inception to about 2005? I dropped off the map of that site until 2009 when things had changed considerably.

I think our tolerances might be affected by how much suffering we have had.

When your a child and you get a skinned knee, the world is ending. You've never felt that kind of pain, it doesn't just go away, and it can be frightening.

But by the 10th time you've scraped something...

It doesn't help that sensitivity to others feelings is a very popular right now in the media. Its even affecting policy. Who says what we imagine doesn't impact the real world?

The only thing that puzzles me about old guard is the ratio between answers like "No, your wrong and here is why." and "What can we learn from this?" I am more impressed the more questions a person asks, then statements they make.

And...I'm just as bad. :evil:

That must have been pre-2002, because I never observed that system. At that time, there were only a handful of other knights, and each of them had service oriented jobs. One works with a politician now, another teaches at a school for the blind, at the time the one that founded the sobriety business was working with a veteran's and emergency responders hostel trying to provide the people that showed up with a memorable time in New York, and another working EMS.

The only thing that puzzles me about old guard is the ratio between answers like "No, your wrong and here is why." and "What can we learn from this?" I am more impressed the more questions a person asks, then statements they make.

Its interesting though, because, well, there is something to be learned in being wrong.

The ratio of people that are wrong has dropped dramatically from the old guard.

Many times, I was, and have been wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFaHR5rqyTo

In BJJ, if I get choked, or tapped out, my approach was wrong, if it wasnt, then I would not have been choked, or tapped out. I learn a great deal from being wrong, and people telling me I am wrong and the reason why.

Of course, this does not apply to every case, and a forum makes for a lot more ambiguity into "right" and "wrong", and I realize that.

However the ratio of people willing to be wrong has dropped as well, to the point there is no real criteria for what is or isnt a Jedi, or anything morally, ethically, etc. So, while I can see the point your trying to make, I think there is something to be said with being able to say, instead if one has found they are wrong, instead of taking offense, say, ok, what can I learn from being wrong?

If someone tells me I am wrong and there "why" Instead of getting butthurt, I will see if I am, then I learn, and if not, then well, thats called a debate, to which we go back and forth.

There are way worse things to be called then wrong.

I question a place where that word is taboo. It means you are not looking for an answer, but an excuse.

rugadd wrote: I think our tolerances might be affected by how much suffering we have had.

When your a child and you get a skinned knee, the world is ending. You've never felt that kind of pain, it doesn't just go away, and it can be frightening.

But by the 10th time you've scraped something...

It doesn't help that sensitivity to others feelings is a very popular right now in the media. Its even affecting policy. Who says what we imagine doesn't impact the real world?

The only thing that puzzles me about old guard is the ratio between answers like "No, your wrong and here is why." and "What can we learn from this?" I am more impressed the more questions a person asks, then statements they make.

And...I'm just as bad. :evil:

What child are you raising? lol, my son has never become super upset over a scrapped knee. He gets upset if we tell him to wait on something. lol !

I'm not certain, Ally, you're getting the point.

Yes, all of the people at FA have been very service oriented. I never said anything to the contrary. I'm talking specifically about the attitude of "nice" in the discussion forum. Vandor has never been nice to me. lol. He's always treated me like an adult (which means giving me a hard time for my short comings). That sort of attitude would not be welcome here at TOTJO, I feel.