Is one tragedy bigger than another?

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15 Nov 2015 19:32 #209031 by
So I'm sure you quite aware of the incidents in France.

I'm not sure if any of you know what's going on in Mariana, Minas Gerais, Brazil.

For those who don't, here are some links to see what's going on there, we continue when you are back:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brazil-survivors-describe-terror-wall-toxic-mud-burst-bhp-billiton-dam-swept-through-town-1527566
http://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2015/11/two-dams-burst-releasing-a-deadly-flood-of-red-sludge-in-brazil/414930/
http://www.ibtimes.com/brazil-dam-break-disaster-photos-toxic-red-mud-buries-village-mariana-minas-gerais-2172880

Back? Ok. Well, in a nutshell, a dam broke down and toxic mud invaded everything. It was a red tsunami, full of heavy metals that essentially killed a big river and exterminated several endemic species, both fauna and flora.

I mention these two thing because a phenomena is happening here in Brazil, is that people are criticizing the ones who are changing their pictures to the French flag. And that bears the question: Is one tragedy really bigger than the other? More than that, are we capable of only feeling sorry for one people, and thus have to choose a side? Brazilian facebook is looking like a football match between two rival factions, in which you have to choose one to be sorry of, to help and to support.

I just can't understand this. So if there's a hurricane somewhere, an earthquake in another place, a terrorist attack somewhere else, I can't feel sorry and pray for everyone, do I have to choose one?

What's your thoughts in that?

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15 Nov 2015 20:52 #209039 by
I suppose it has something to do with the fact that as much as we like to think otherwise, human beings are terrible multi-taskers. When all of our news channels are fixated on one thing 24 hours a day, it makes it incredibly difficult for those living far away to even know another tragedy has even occurred, let alone to make room in their minds for it. Each tragedy on its own is incredibly draining emotionally and psychologically, and to try and be aware of the fact that there are essentially massive tragedies happening somewhere "right now" at all times is something that becomes too much heartbreak for people to bear without guidance. As a result people let the mainstream news media tell them which heartbreak to focus on; they end up feeling perhaps a little less helpless than if they knew everything that was going on at once.

It's not right, but it's definitely how things are: we're all being controlled whether we believe we are or not. That having been said, my heart goes out to those in Brazil who have been affected by this devastating ecological and human catastrophe. I don't have anymore words for it at the moment; words fail me.

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15 Nov 2015 21:04 #209042 by OB1Shinobi
dont get caught up in factions

People are complicated.

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15 Nov 2015 21:22 #209049 by Amaya
You dont have to choose sides.
And you dont have to be controlled by the media into taking sides.
There are tragedys happening everywhere, every day. Some are personal some are country wide. Why cant you just pray for all that are facing difficult times and have compassion for all sides.

Facebook here is similar and although I pray for those in distress, I wont be changing my profile or judging those who do.

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16 Nov 2015 02:01 #209067 by
I don't pick sides, that's not the matter. I'm just sad for people that do that.

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16 Nov 2015 06:27 #209082 by
I think largely it is due to the media coverage, as far as those outside your country. I hadn't heard of this event, and I wish you all the best, of course. As for those within your country, I'd say it's fair that not everyone is affected in the same way by each thing they experience. Some may simply be more saddened by one or the other. This is not wrong, to experience varying degrees of emotion. However, I can't agree with supporting one because of the idea that it is inherently worse.

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16 Nov 2015 10:43 #209098 by

Almeida wrote: So I'm sure you quite aware of the incidents in France.
Back? Ok. Well, in a nutshell, a dam broke down and toxic mud invaded everything. It was a red tsunami, full of heavy metals that essentially killed a big river and exterminated several endemic species, both fauna and flora.

I mention these two thing because a phenomena is happening here in Brazil, is that people are criticizing the ones who are changing their pictures to the French flag. And that bears the question: Is one tragedy really bigger than the other? More than that, are we capable of only feeling sorry for one people, and thus have to choose a side? Brazilian facebook is looking like a football match between two rival factions, in which you have to choose one to be sorry of, to help and to support.


Okay, I'll explain a few things here on the Mariana disaster in Brazil.

1. The mining company that did the work in Marina financed many people, the city itself Mariana with 16 million reais (local money) per year and in an election year funded 30 million for the two major political parties of the country.
2. People living in the districts affected by the wave of mud were country people, humble.
3. This company is owned by two multinationals, the old Vale and such BHP did shit in many places around the world there.
4. The attack on the French (who are in my prayers every day), is in focus everywhere and as we call here in Brazil, happened to Gringos (people of foreign)
5. Brazil is trying to prove to other countries like power in many ways to keep up with the major countries in the UN

Armed with this I can explain my point of view.
When the catastrophe of Mariana happened, many people had to make a run for cleaned the mess. The mayor can not say anything because the company financed the city through taxes, political parties also received this money, including the party of our current president Dilma; that is, you do not harm anyone pays you favors. Furthermore Her Excellency President Dilma has not done much and smothered it, as nobody here wants this to take internacionas scales, because that mud is not only heavy metals, has even worse, to clean all this ground shit and water will take, the calculations at least a century; without saying that those compounds will contaminate groundwater (which has a lot here) that is, the problem is huge and so the media is not giving as much attention as this is a political move to UN see all this shit and interfere negatively or criticize the actions taken (which so far have not taken).
Another thing that happens a lot here, and that Brother Almeida will agree with me, is that no one cares when poor people die. Of course, the attack on France killed and wounded many more people; Mariana died guess 40 and 10 people are missing, but we are the inside broke, niguém care. When the problem occurs in the US or Europe staff is moved, because they have adoration for foreign, as we say is the cultural capital, we value more the cultures and people of those countries than others.
The Mariana disaster should have leveraged a protest because it was an environmental disaster on a gigantic scale, and the technicians had already released talking about reports that the dam that dammed this mud (and so far I do not know why they accumulated it in a dam, it seems to me something very stupid) had cracks and no one did anything, but as usual it did not call people's attention, because on television we see only the flag of our sister France, but we forget to look at our own problems. Perhaps this case will not result in anything and people will fight for generations to be compensated.

This is a satellite picture before the disaster. You can clearly see northwest iron mine and mud dam just below, that yellow spot


This picture was soon after


The distance reached by the mud passes of 100KM

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16 Nov 2015 11:06 - 16 Nov 2015 11:08 #209099 by Adder
Terrible tragedy. It was news here in Australia where BHP is based with a fair bit of footage of the aftermath through the media. Their share price is down below 10% so far since it happened, and they have their annual general meeting this week too!!! I imagine they will be grilled by shareholders over it.... but Paris has shifted attention away from Brasil in the media here. Seeing pictures of cars on rooftops was very reminiscent of Indian Ocean and Northern Japan's tsunami's!! Sometimes I think its hard to really get how bad these things are through the TV, these things are catastrophes for those involved.

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23 Nov 2015 00:30 #209883 by
Just to keep you updated, now mud polluted the Rio Doce has now reached the sea, no one was able to avoid the progress of all this toxic debris, the actions were very slow and ineffective. Those affected are numerous and environmental inpáctos are incalculable.
To show how people have worship by foreigners, a tv station made a comparison with a disaster in the US in Buffalo Creek in 1972, but I think a very empty comparison, is like saying that technology in Brazil today is equal to the US in 1972. It is very sad to see such an oversight grandecom nature and life, the environment completely destroyed, dead animals everywhere and people out of work and homeless.

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23 Nov 2015 02:30 #209896 by
A terrible tragedy, and even worse that it is not getting the attention that Brasil needs right now. I have yet to see anything about this on any mainstream US news sites, still.

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