The Name Game

There used to be a little picture clip that showed a few soldiers, and there were two different views of how the camera shot the picture. One view showed one soldier helping the other, but the second view seemed as if he were shooting the other. But when the picture backed out to the few view it was completely different scenario and you were misled by the two points of view.

One day I'll find it again.

Kitsu Tails wrote: For every "Ye" there is a "Nay" the one who speaks the loudest gets the most attention. Simple fact. You even said so: "Our society gorges itself on media that distributes the extremes"

I am very well aware that there are those "Great number of people" who speak the term "Black lives matter" positively. However, that was not the point of my post

The point was simply to state what was said above. The phrase right now has a very loud voice, and that voice is negative. Even to the people it represents. Not positive...and that should be taken into account when we choose or not choose to use the phrase ourselves.

I personally refuse to follow the sheep shouting out catch phrases and flinging signs of protest. I instead choose to:

....set good examples to our children and grand children so that the future can, hopefully, be better then it is now.

Very well said. I do agree with you.

It does get frustrating how rapidly these causes gain an almost morbid meaning in our minds when we hear the phrases mentioned. It's that "one bad egg spoils the bunch" point, and it very much rings true. It's just off-putting to see those that had a righteous purpose get pushed to the wayside.

Xesh wrote: It's just off-putting to see those that had a righteous purpose get pushed to the wayside.

well....I believe that falls into the "Good Intentions" thread. Just because you intend your actions and meanings to be for a "Righteous Purpose" dosn't mean you should join the loud voices and do the same thing they are.

Drop the phrase "Black lives matter"

Drop the Protest Signs and Posters

And go out and DO something positive in your own way. Be the black sheep

Xesh wrote: There used to be a little picture clip that showed a few soldiers, and there were two different views of how the camera shot the picture. One view showed one soldier helping the other, but the second view seemed as if he were shooting the other. But when the picture backed out to the few view it was completely different scenario and you were misled by the two points of view.

One day I'll find it again.

Jestor wrote:

Xesh wrote: There used to be a little picture clip that showed a few soldiers, and there were two different views of how the camera shot the picture. One view showed one soldier helping the other, but the second view seemed as if he were shooting the other. But when the picture backed out to the few view it was completely different scenario and you were misled by the two points of view.

One day I'll find it again.

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You are like google, but better.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database
Over twice as many black people per million have been killed by police than either white or hispanic/latino people. Do police intend to go out and do that? Probably not, but nonetheless that is what they do, you are far more likely to be killed by police in America if you are black.

So why are black people more likely to be shot? Well they probably, per million, commit more crime (though I lack the stats right now to confirm), but why do they commit more crime? Well probably because they tend to be poorer, and why are they poorer? Well because of systemic racism in the past.

The systems no longer intend to be racist, though that's only in recent history, but this doesn't instantly lift black people out of poverty, so they remain stuck in this situation in which they're more likely to be driven to crime, which keeps them poor by destroying career prospects and enforcing the circle once more...

The system doesn't intend to be racist, but it ends up being structurally racist due to the perpetuation of self-reinforcing conditions.

The only way to deal with structural problems is to highlight them, all lives do matter, but the cards aren't stacked against all lives (Jestor's martial arts example).

Jestor wrote: The problem I see with the 'black lives matter' movement, is that balck men dont respect their own lives, as shown by the killing of each other in gang fights and drive bys...

Are you sure what you said there isn't racist?

Akkarin wrote:

Jestor wrote: The problem I see with the 'black lives matter' movement, is that balck men dont respect their own lives, as shown by the killing of each other in gang fights and drive bys...

Are you sure what you said there isn't racist?

I dont think so, but, obviously a popint can be made by anyone, for anything...

In my town, I have never heard of any other race having 'gang related shootings', nor 'drive-by shootings'...

Used to be 'mafia' shootings, years ago, but, dont hear about them...

According to a quick look up, since everyone likes to define:





If you meant did I mean that in some way my race was better, as in 2 and 3, and in the second half of one, then no, I dont think I was being racist...

If you meant in the "a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement,"

Then yes, I guess I was speaking in a 'race type way' as there is no other way to speak of race...

Perhaps I should have included some ageism too, since the majority of those black men shooting each other are also 'young'...

If you were just busting my balls, then :blush:

lol...

Adi Vas wrote:

TheDude wrote: How do you react to the "all lives matter" statement when paired with the "Black Lives Matter" movement?

By linking people who say "no no, not 'black lives matter' - 'all lives matter'" to this .

Well, it's a cute comic, but I think it fails to see the point. Suppose there is an "all lives matter" movement and its inherent trait is that it's not exclusive to anyone for any reason. Why is the assumption that wider acceptance takes away from a specific focus? If I've read Plato, Aristotle, and Descartes, then my knowledge of Plato isn't made lesser because I've read Aristotle and Descartes. My knowledge of Plato remains the same, I just gain other knowledge alongside the original one I read.
The goal of such an "all lives matter" movement would be equality for all people. But when such a thing is suggested, something strange happens. Instead of "All lives matter", people assume it means "All lives matter... except for black people, they don't matter at all." Or they assume it means "all lives matter, but we're not going to do anything about it."
When BLM succeeds in its goals, a symptom of a disease has disappeared, but the disease is still present. Systematic racism doesn't disappear just because it disappears for black people. By all means, I encourage the BLM movement's actions and goals (unless they become violent) to continue, but I'll also point out how much of a hypocrite someone is if they participate in BLM but pay not attention when Native Americans start pointing out how they're still the victims of many hate crimes.

Jestor wrote: If you were just busting my balls, then :blush:

It was jesting as much as it was cautioning, post what was quoted on twitter, I dare you

Akkarin wrote:

Jestor wrote: If you were just busting my balls, then :blush:

It was jesting as much as it was cautioning, post what was quoted on twitter, I dare you

Twitter is not for rational conversation, it is for people to post their opinions... No social media should be used for stuff like that, but it is, lol..

YOu posting the one line, is similar to a sound bite that makes a politician sound bad, lol...

And we all do it, just saying, lol... It is unintentional...