The Case for Conspiracy

im not precisely convinced - certainly not definitively advocating
i am presenting some things which i find worth discussion

from wikipedia
"Theodore L. Gunderson (November 7, 1928 - July 31, 2011[1]) was an American Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agent In Charge and head of the Los Angeles FBI"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Gunderson


this is from a speech he gave

8 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-HzrinNS0M

forget personal feelings about whos side youre on and listen to the what he says
consider it objectively

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also this

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

One of the many pressing stories that remains to be told from the Snowden archive is how western intelligence agencies are attempting to manipulate and control online discourse with extreme tactics of deception and reputation-destruction. It’s time to tell a chunk of that story, complete with the relevant documents.

Over the last several weeks, I worked with NBC News to publish a series of articles about “dirty trick” tactics used by GCHQ’s previously secret unit, JTRIG (Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group). These were based on four classified GCHQ documents presented to the NSA and the other three partners in the English-speaking “Five Eyes” alliance. Today, we at the Intercept are publishing another new JTRIG document, in full, entitled “The Art of Deception: Training for Online Covert Operations.”

By publishing these stories one by one, our NBC reporting highlighted some of the key, discrete revelations: the monitoring of YouTube and Blogger, the targeting of Anonymous with the very same DDoS attacks they accuse “hacktivists” of using, the use of “honey traps” (luring people into compromising situations using sex) and destructive viruses.

But, here, I want to focus and elaborate on the overarching point revealed by all of these documents: namely, that these agencies are attempting to control, infiltrate, manipulate, and warp online discourse, and in doing so, are compromising the integrity of the internet itself.

Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable. To see how extremist these programs are, just consider the tactics they boast of using to achieve those ends: “false flag operations” (posting material to the internet and falsely attributing it to someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting “negative information” on various forums. Here is one illustrative list of tactics from the latest GCHQ document we’re publishing today:

This isn't anything new. Sun Tzu wrote about similar tactics. Any body of social interaction(internet or not) is subject to this kind of perversion.

And anybody with an agenda might use these tactics.

this is the so called williie lynch speech
it is said that w lynch's name is the root of the term "lynching" although his letter says there are better ways to handle slaves

it is said that there is academic doubt as to the veracity of this speech

if you give credence to the conspiracy case then it would eventually follow that even wikipedia is used as a tool for disinformation

in fact it would follow that the entire point of the disinformation campaign referenced above is to taint everything with enough absurdity or incredulity that the general public (meaning me and you) will scoff at anything that suggests "conspiracy"

heres the speech

"Gentlemen:

I greet you here on the bank of the James River in the year of our lord, one thousand seven hundred and twelve. First , I shall thank you, the gentlemen of the of the colony of Virginia, for bringing me here. I am here to help you solve some of your problems with slaves. Your invitation reached me in my modest plantation in the West Indies where I have experimented with some of the newest and still the oldest method for control of slaves. Ancient Rome would envy us if my program is implemented. As our boat sailed south on the James River, named for our illustrious KING JAMES, whose BIBLE we CHERISH, I saw enough to know that our problem is not unique. While Rome used cords or wood as crosses for standing human bodies along the old highways in great numbers, you are here using the tree and the rope on occasion.

I caught the whiff of a dead slave hanging from a tree a couple of miles back. You are losing valuable stock by hangings, you are having uprisings, slaves are running away, your crops are sometimes left in the fields too long for maximum profit, you suffer occasional fires, your animals are killed, Gentleman,...You know what your problems are; I do not need to elaborate. I am not here to enumerate your problems, I am here to introduce you to a method of solving them.

In my bag, I have a fool proof method for controlling your slaves. I guarantee everyone of you that if installed it will control the slaves for at least three hundred years. My method is simple, any member of your family or any OVERSEER can use it.

I have outlined a number of differences among the slaves, and I take these differences and make them bigger. I use FEAR, DISTRUST, and ENVY for control purposes. These methods have worked on my modest plantation in the West Indies, and it will work throughout the SOUTH. Take this simple little list of differences and think about them. On the top of my list is "AGE" but it is only there because it starts with an "A"; The second is"COLOR" or shade; there is INTELLIGENCE, SIZE, SEX, SIZE OF PLANTATION, ATTITUDE of owner, whether the slaves live in the valley, on a hill, east or west, north, south, have fine or coarse hair, or is tall or short. Now that you have a list of differences, I shall give you an outline of action- but before that, I shall assure you that DISTRUST IS STRONGER THAN TRUST, AND ENVY IS STRONGER THAN ADULATION, RESPECT OR ADMIRATION.

The black slave, after receiving this indoctrination, shall carry on and will become self-refueling and self-generating for hundreds of years, maybe thousands.

Don't forget you must pitch the old black VS. the young black males, and the young black male against the old black male. You must use the dark skinned slaves VS. the light skin slaves. You must use the female VS the male, and the male VS, the female. You must always have your servants and OVERSEERS distrust all blacks, but it is necessary that your slaves trust and depend on us.

Gentlemen, these kits are your keys to control, use them. Never miss an opportunity. My plan is guaranteed, and the good thing about this plan is that if used intensely for one year the slave will remain perpetually distrustful.


-WILLIAM LYNCH-1772"

rugadd wrote: This isn't anything new. Sun Tzu wrote about similar tactics. Any body of social interaction(internet or not) is subject to this kind of perversion.

agreed

but what i am talking about is a forthright conversation about the possibility of these things being real today

of our societies actually being intentionally manipulated in a systematic way that is intentionally detrimental to you and me

its a connecting of the dots between sun tzu and sunkist, for instance

in the youtube i posted one of the things he mentions is controlling the food supply

in another thread on this forum there is a discussion about how we cant even get drinking water that is not contaminated by chemicals that affect our bodies in unhealthy ways

I think I need to clarify...


Yes, this IS happening TODAY. And it is nothing new. I am not horrified at the thought.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

The Bilderberg Group, Bilderberg conference, Bilderberg meetings or Bilderberg Club is an annual private conference of approximately 120–150 political leaders and experts from industry, finance, academia and the media.[1][2] About two thirds of the participants come from Europe and the rest from North America; one third from politics and government and the rest from other fields.

Meetings are organized by a steering committee with two members from each of approximately 18 nations.[8] Official posts, in addition to a chairman, include an Honorary Secretary General.[9] There is no such category in the group's rules as a "member of the group" but former participants receive the annual conference reports.[10] The only category that exists is "member of the Steering Committee".[11] In addition to the committee, there also exists a separate advisory group, though membership overlaps.

http://www.infowars.com/former-nato-secretary-general-admits-bilderberg-sets-global-policy/

In a radio interview reported on by the Belgian news website www.zonnewind.be, former NATO Secretary-General and Bilderberg member Willy Claes told host Koen Fillet that Bilderberg does indeed decide policy for the coming year.

Claes said that Bilderberg guests are normally given around 10 minutes of talk time, after which a report is compiled of their presentation.

“The participants are then obviously considered to use this report in setting their policies in the environments in which they affect,” stated Claes, according to the translated text.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czQa1C2Tvqw