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What it's like to teach evolution at the University of Kentucky
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29 Mar 2015 05:07 - 29 Mar 2015 05:09 #186070
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http://boingboing.net/2015/03/28/what-its-like-to-teach-evolu.html
"Krupa's essay on his decades of experience with these students talks about three groups: students who believe in evolution but have never studied it in detail because the conflict-averse teachers they've had until then have avoided the subject; students whose religious beliefs are so firmly seated that they won't listen to his arguments, and students who are in the middle, minds open, but unconvinced either way. He says that it's this last group he tries hardest to reach, but one of his most inspiring triumphs comes from the second group, a fervent evangelical who was infuriated by Krupa's patient teaching, but found the rebuttals offered by his evangelical teachers so unconvincing that he threw over his belief in Biblical creation and became an MD."
I found this to be an interesting (albeit partly anecdotal) read. Having grown up in Europe, I was about 25 when I first heard of creationism. There's never really been a serious debate about teaching creationism rather than evolution theory at schools here as far as I'm aware of but I'm pretty sure lots of people here, too, believe that evolution theory is just that - a theory among many.
For me, creationism is just another example of taking myth for fact. The catholic pope seems to think the same way. What's interesting about the article above, however, isn't the fact that some people believe this while others believe that. What I find more interesting (and disturbing) is how myth has a tendency to become fact in the minds of many if enough people claim it is. Kentucky seems to have turned into some sort of social bubble - with a belief system that's dramatically different from that in most other parts of the world. Yet, that bubble seems to have been consistent over centuries and still remains unchallenged. I find that fascinating (and a little bit disturbing).
"Krupa's essay on his decades of experience with these students talks about three groups: students who believe in evolution but have never studied it in detail because the conflict-averse teachers they've had until then have avoided the subject; students whose religious beliefs are so firmly seated that they won't listen to his arguments, and students who are in the middle, minds open, but unconvinced either way. He says that it's this last group he tries hardest to reach, but one of his most inspiring triumphs comes from the second group, a fervent evangelical who was infuriated by Krupa's patient teaching, but found the rebuttals offered by his evangelical teachers so unconvincing that he threw over his belief in Biblical creation and became an MD."
I found this to be an interesting (albeit partly anecdotal) read. Having grown up in Europe, I was about 25 when I first heard of creationism. There's never really been a serious debate about teaching creationism rather than evolution theory at schools here as far as I'm aware of but I'm pretty sure lots of people here, too, believe that evolution theory is just that - a theory among many.
For me, creationism is just another example of taking myth for fact. The catholic pope seems to think the same way. What's interesting about the article above, however, isn't the fact that some people believe this while others believe that. What I find more interesting (and disturbing) is how myth has a tendency to become fact in the minds of many if enough people claim it is. Kentucky seems to have turned into some sort of social bubble - with a belief system that's dramatically different from that in most other parts of the world. Yet, that bubble seems to have been consistent over centuries and still remains unchallenged. I find that fascinating (and a little bit disturbing).
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29 Mar 2015 05:50 #186072
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creationism has a devoted following in america
and the jargon is impressive actually
my guess is god himself is sick of this foolishness lol
and the jargon is impressive actually
my guess is god himself is sick of this foolishness lol
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29 Mar 2015 06:55 #186073
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We Americans live in a country where we try to please everybody and fail. I wouldn't be surprised if it were necessary for schools to teach creationism alongside evolution or instead of it in at least one state. That being because some people have blind faith and ignore reality in favor of their own creation myth.
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29 Mar 2015 09:14 #186075
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Replied by Cyan Sarden on topic Re:What it's like to teach evolution at the University of Kentucky
People will believe what they've been indoctrinated with. Independent thought seems to be an acquired skill nowadays and there are plenty of parties actively working on making sure that particular skill remains out of range for a lot of people. I just don't get it how this is possible for entire states - that's what mainly interests me about that University of Kentucky article: what's special about this particular social stratum that seems to aid in perpetuating these extreme views that even uni students seem to find hard to let go of.OB1Shinobi wrote: creationism has a devoted following in america
and the jargon is impressive actually
my guess is god himself is sick of this foolishness lol
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29 Mar 2015 16:16 #186091
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that is sadly true...and why i don't worry about pleasing anyone but myself...the fact that making myself happy often benefits those around me is just a pleasant coincidence
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TheDude wrote: We Americans live in a country where we try to please everybody and fail. I wouldn't be surprised if it were necessary for schools to teach creationism alongside evolution or instead of it in at least one state. That being because some people have blind faith and ignore reality in favor of their own creation myth.
that is sadly true...and why i don't worry about pleasing anyone but myself...the fact that making myself happy often benefits those around me is just a pleasant coincidence
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There is passion, yet there is peace
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
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Warning: Spoiler!
Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
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29 Mar 2015 18:52 - 29 Mar 2015 19:14 #186110
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this is just over five minutes and helps to explain whats going on
this is not representative of the entire religious experience either of americans in general nor necessarily of southerners specifically but it IS a reality of the religious climate within a portion of the american society
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYpcZZh6ilY
this is not representative of the entire religious experience either of americans in general nor necessarily of southerners specifically but it IS a reality of the religious climate within a portion of the american society
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYpcZZh6ilY
People are complicated.
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