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The Vision of Knighthood
24 Jan 2015 00:31 #178524
by RyuJin
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Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
J.L.Lawson,Master Knight, M.div, Eastern Studies S.I.G. Advisor (Formerly Known as the Buddhist Rite)
Former Masters: GM Kana Seiko Haruki , Br.John
Current Apprentices: Baru
Former Apprentices:Adhara(knight), Zenchi (knight)
Replied by RyuJin on topic The Vision of Knighthood
Be a jedi in mind,body,and spirit
Be a knight in mind,body,and spirit
Be yourself in mind,body,and spirit
Be a jedi knight yourself in mind,body,and spirit...
Be a knight in mind,body,and spirit
Be yourself in mind,body,and spirit
Be a jedi knight yourself in mind,body,and spirit...
Warning: Spoiler!
There is passion, yet there is peace
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
Quotes:
Warning: Spoiler!
Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
J.L.Lawson,Master Knight, M.div, Eastern Studies S.I.G. Advisor (Formerly Known as the Buddhist Rite)
Former Masters: GM Kana Seiko Haruki , Br.John
Current Apprentices: Baru
Former Apprentices:Adhara(knight), Zenchi (knight)
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07 Feb 2015 03:24 #180581
by OB1Shinobi
People are complicated.
Replied by OB1Shinobi on topic The Vision of Knighthood
i read somewhere that wiccans are witches but witches arent necessarily wiccans
i see the same with knighthood and jedi
i think first of all that i see a balancing act between the ideas that being a jedi is a matter of results, accomishment, tangible growth
and simply being commited to the jedi path
is a person who's behavior is clearly selfish undisciplined and shallow a jedi because they say they are a jedi?
obviously its not my place to tell someone what they are or are not
but for myself i know i am jedi because of the principals i am commited to and the methodoloy that i use to attain and embody those principals
not to say i exemplify them perfectly at all times, but that my commitment is to exemplify them at all times.
i see the rank system as being
1) person who is not jedi but curious about what jedi means
2) person who has found a jedi community or access to jedi philosophy and is "testing the water" in jedi thought
these will be influenced more or less by core jedi tenents or their perception of the "jedi" they interact with.
usually it will be a blend of both but there are those who will merely socialize and use this as their introduction to what it means to be jedi without spendig much time on the coursework
and there are those very rare but real few who will dive into the course work and never post so much as a single reply to a single thread.
it is the work however which makes on a jedi imo
not the course work or IP per se, but the work of understanding the things that the IP is conveying and integrating this understanding into ones behavior
at some point a person is either commited to the path or theyre really just a groupie
even groupies will grow however so respect is always appropriate imo
3) once a person has a basic understanding of the core value and has made a sincere commitment to those values they are in effect a jedi, though not usually a developed one
4) after consistant pursuit of jedi principals and the exploration and practice of methodology, there comes a time when one has actually developed into a legitimate but fledgeling jedi
this is similar to being awarded a black belt in many traditional martial arts
it means one has really learned and internalized the foundation, and the real training can begin!
the gains one has made by this point are such that even if this is where one stops growing they will still live a mostly deliberate and most definitely meaningful life.
5) at this stage a person will see clearly that their lives reflect their jedi teachings
also they will have taken responsibility for their own welfare and initiative
their lives will be relatively ordered and they will be growing in a deliberate fashion towards goals beyond the jedi path which they chose with care and self awareness so that these goals represent the true expression of their innermost character, rather than just something they feel obligated to or just fall into
this is where the distinctiln of knighthood can be made imo
the word KNIGHT has specific meanings
it doesnt necessarily mean one uses martial methodology to serve
obut it DOES mean that ones primary life commitment is to service, to the extent that one is completely willing to put their life on the line if it is a requisite of their service
i dont belive i will ever change my view on that
a jedi in general ought to spend considerable energy resolving themselves to the reality of their own personal death, but a knight imo is a warrior by definition and there is no compromise that a requirement of the rank is the willingness to face and accept personal death in ones commitment to serve
this is always what gives a warrior the impetus to be the best of themselves
because they know that their life will depend on their prowess and their adaptability
also the resolution to accept ones death empties one of a huge quantity of shallow and petty thinking and relating with others
this is why warriors are respected as strong and honorable people, because they think and act from a place which realizes their own death
i would add that knighthood is an option and not a mandate and that the jedi path has any number of ways one may be an empowered and respected personage
thats my vision of knighthood
thanks for reading
i see the same with knighthood and jedi
i think first of all that i see a balancing act between the ideas that being a jedi is a matter of results, accomishment, tangible growth
and simply being commited to the jedi path
is a person who's behavior is clearly selfish undisciplined and shallow a jedi because they say they are a jedi?
obviously its not my place to tell someone what they are or are not
but for myself i know i am jedi because of the principals i am commited to and the methodoloy that i use to attain and embody those principals
not to say i exemplify them perfectly at all times, but that my commitment is to exemplify them at all times.
i see the rank system as being
1) person who is not jedi but curious about what jedi means
2) person who has found a jedi community or access to jedi philosophy and is "testing the water" in jedi thought
these will be influenced more or less by core jedi tenents or their perception of the "jedi" they interact with.
usually it will be a blend of both but there are those who will merely socialize and use this as their introduction to what it means to be jedi without spendig much time on the coursework
and there are those very rare but real few who will dive into the course work and never post so much as a single reply to a single thread.
it is the work however which makes on a jedi imo
not the course work or IP per se, but the work of understanding the things that the IP is conveying and integrating this understanding into ones behavior
at some point a person is either commited to the path or theyre really just a groupie
even groupies will grow however so respect is always appropriate imo
3) once a person has a basic understanding of the core value and has made a sincere commitment to those values they are in effect a jedi, though not usually a developed one
4) after consistant pursuit of jedi principals and the exploration and practice of methodology, there comes a time when one has actually developed into a legitimate but fledgeling jedi
this is similar to being awarded a black belt in many traditional martial arts
it means one has really learned and internalized the foundation, and the real training can begin!
the gains one has made by this point are such that even if this is where one stops growing they will still live a mostly deliberate and most definitely meaningful life.
5) at this stage a person will see clearly that their lives reflect their jedi teachings
also they will have taken responsibility for their own welfare and initiative
their lives will be relatively ordered and they will be growing in a deliberate fashion towards goals beyond the jedi path which they chose with care and self awareness so that these goals represent the true expression of their innermost character, rather than just something they feel obligated to or just fall into
this is where the distinctiln of knighthood can be made imo
the word KNIGHT has specific meanings
it doesnt necessarily mean one uses martial methodology to serve
obut it DOES mean that ones primary life commitment is to service, to the extent that one is completely willing to put their life on the line if it is a requisite of their service
i dont belive i will ever change my view on that
a jedi in general ought to spend considerable energy resolving themselves to the reality of their own personal death, but a knight imo is a warrior by definition and there is no compromise that a requirement of the rank is the willingness to face and accept personal death in ones commitment to serve
this is always what gives a warrior the impetus to be the best of themselves
because they know that their life will depend on their prowess and their adaptability
also the resolution to accept ones death empties one of a huge quantity of shallow and petty thinking and relating with others
this is why warriors are respected as strong and honorable people, because they think and act from a place which realizes their own death
i would add that knighthood is an option and not a mandate and that the jedi path has any number of ways one may be an empowered and respected personage
thats my vision of knighthood
thanks for reading

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