Sharia Law Zones

Yes i must admit i only heard it on a news broadcast, but it did state that family matters will now have there own court for the sect.

Akkarin wrote: Lol, what exactly isn't religion and law? Define religion. In the US it is church and state not 'religion' and state, because you cannot separate the two, but you can stop religious organisations having direct, or part, control over government.

If one chooses to join a group called 'Muslims' then one has to obey the rules of that group. You can always leave that group if you don't like it, and that might be hard. But disagreements within TotJO are dealt with within TotJO. If TotJO was much larger and had several offline chapters and a disagreement arose between two people across the two chapters etc, then we would sort it out - unless as you observed it was specifically a legal matter.

You will have to be more specific about how exactly the decision between which court takes precedence etc applies in practice, otherwise this situation is exactly how it ought to be.

Religions need structure "law" but if imposed by force using state police, we are still burning the unbelievers. 100 000 and 100 000s have been tricked into murder, with words that have been bent. we must be careful of any group that seeks to pervert there religion for misguided gains.

Analyze wrote: we must be careful of any group that seeks to pervert there religion for misguided gains.

What is perversion of religion? To many their religion is fine, it is us that finds there to be perversion. While I don't like some of the Sharia rules, who am I to tell them how to do things? The only time I would speak out is if things were happening over which their members have no choice (for example, forced marriage).

i meant to say misinterpret pervert was a a bit over the top maybe even disrespectful : )

Everything about it is wrong. It's basically a different law for certain people. Sharia courts operate within mosques and such.

if it were something informal, it'd be OK really. You know, two individuals have "issues" and ask a trusted third party to help them sort it out... But the problem is it's not "just" that. Now it's creeping into the regular legal system, with divorcees losing rights, children losing rights depending on whether they are male, female, born in or out of wedlock, etc...

technically they should be insignificant. But the reality of things is that muslims can't simply go against the will of their community and take things to the regular courts. Doing so would mean they'd lose all all support and contact with their families, etc. That's why there are so many cases of british muslim men being forced to marry women they know nothing about. The communities are organised in a way that makes full personal onwership of anything quite difficult. This means they lose their car, house(s), business, job.... Even those you see coming over here to work a few years don't actually make any money. They send it all back to pakistan, and then have to "live off" the people they gave the money to. that culture is present even in muslims who are near irreligious.

ren:

First, you don't decide what's right or wrong, share your opinion only, please.

Second, don't extend what you've seen from a minority and assume every Muslim lives that way. Period.


----


I don't know much about it... Sharia is the base structure of Islam and I have no idea what's going on in uk...

I think ren meant to say that everything about the situation where some people employ some law alternative to that of the land's to the land's people and within its borders, let alone this particular one's utter inconsistency with notions of human rights that have been adopted in the same place, too.

Also, there is no such thing as a perversion of Shari'ah. According to Sahih Bukhari any proposition out of harmony with established islamic principles must be rejected by the faithful for that reason anyway so if someone was to pervert the prescriptive laws of Islam, she would ideally stand in strong opposition to just about all of her brothers and sisters in faith and surely I don't have to remind anyone of what that entails.

MCSH

We are all to decide what is right in our own view, however i will apologize if i have offended, and im sure Ren will as well, this topic is potent, and we should allow all points of view, to be expressed without fear of reprisals : ) if any person is to gain any new insight.

MCSH

i will try to explain the post as i see it, and as it stared

there are large ares of London and the UK where if you walk down the street as a woman you are harassed by gangs of young males and verbally abused in ways, i will not repeat here. the complaint of the young gangs is "your wearing a small dress dont come down this street again, ,,,,and dont come down, this street without a male escort.... it this true ? is it propaganda, is it right, why is this happening, we in the western world are in a war Cristian/Muslim we need to all understand how to stop it, and return peace. both sides are out of control and i think the west started it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOIMnSdlols

From that... what I see is a couple of guys who are doing half of their religion. .. as an example:


it is in Islam to tell others do the right thing, but it should be done in a kind way, in an effective way. Not by threatening and insulting... and it is also in quran that your religion is for yourself and no one is forced to believe in anything

I really don't want to talk about it... all I wanted to say os that I'm from a Muslim society and I'm sure I don't live the way ren explained. As I said I don't know what's going on in uk... and I won't find out by a few videos, although if you want to talk about the truth behind Islam I'll always be happy to join and talk.

I as many here in the UK, do have a good understanding of the teachings of Muhammad "peace be upon him" and the Koran, it is a loving family orientated selfless path : ) but please understand we are all being lied to buy the press. and many are confused lost and misinformed.

truth behind Islam would add some clarity please post your positive view of your faith so we can see and be reminded of the good words that were meant to help us all : ) and not rely on CNN or the BBC for insights

and let us also not hide form its and our own problems.