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Inherently Violent?
Renny wrote: I saw something on the internet a couple days ago
about a father who witnessed a man trying to rape his 5 year old daughter who he proceeded to beat to, I believe, near death. He called the police, but the would be rapist died. He wasn't charged or imprisoned.
There again, intent and other variables have to come into play. I had a high school friend who got into a verbal altercation with his girlfriend at the time, and was then punched by another guy, and died almost instantly. One punch to the head.
So was the father just whaling on the other guy for like an hour, or were just a few impassioned, heat of the moment blows involved?
Variables, man.
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Daniel L. wrote: Also like his other quote
Dr. Ian Malcolm: If I may... Um, I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here, it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now you're selling it, you wanna sell it!
The only problem I had with this quote....is that it's not uncommon to stand on the shoulders of geniuses. In fact, it's impossible not to.
As for selling it etc, well, life finds a way...
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Desolous wrote:
Renny wrote: I saw something on the internet a couple days ago
about a father who witnessed a man trying to rape his 5 year old daughter who he proceeded to beat to, I believe, near death. He called the police, but the would be rapist died. He wasn't charged or imprisoned.
There again, intent and other variables have to come into play. I had a high school friend who got into a verbal altercation with his girlfriend at the time, and was then punched by another guy, and died almost instantly. One punch to the head.
So was the father just whaling on the other guy for like an hour, or were just a few impassioned, heat of the moment blows involved?
Variables, man.
I'm not sure, the thing I saw wasn't like a full fledge article
I just remember seeing it because of the conversation. If I had to guess I would say he probably just beat the guy up pretty hard before calming down and calling the police.
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Any violence should be considered an expression of the Force. Darth Vader put it best... "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."
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But seriously, who wouldn’t want to live with the peace of mind of knowing (or at least feeling) that they don’t have to worry about marauders, attacks, rape, persecution or genocide? Even the practice of domination by an alpha, or those that would challenge for that role has been chastised. Are we really helping ourselves as a species, society or people?
I feel that due to our lack or desire, as a whole, to test ourselves against opposition and stray from our comfortable existence where everyone is special and we revel in mediocrity we have set the precedent for our own failure and the emanate demise of if not the species at the very least society as we know it. And someone will say that society changes with the times. Or that all things change. And they do! But are preparing future generations for better, or worst?
And since we exist on a planet with finite resources and an increasing demand on those resources are we to deprive those that would for those that buck the system? Or should they be set to the will of the masses? Without reducing this to a standard argumentum reductionis ad absurdum, can anyone tell me why tolerance seems to have become the substitute for personal suffering? Personal suffering being where it is more preferable to not only allow but to “tolerate” the evil of men at the cost of others.
And since the world seems to favor governments and policy based on argumentum ad numerum, at what point to we stand on our principles and refuse to be subjugated to the tyranny of insanity?
Equilibrium is not just the fulcrum in which all things come into balance. In life, ever changing and constant, is not more accurate to suggest that it is influence that keeps life in balance? Neither good, bad nor neutral; but, rather active and in the moment. Doing what is set before you and playing your role.
Just thinking out loud and ranting… never mind me.

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Desolous wrote: making my head hurt, bro.
This is what Watts had to say:
The cat wasn't born as a head which, sometime later, caused a tail; it was born all of a piece, a head-tailed cat. Our observer's trouble was that he was watching it through a narrow slit, and couldn't see the whole cat at once.
The narrow slit in the fence is much like the way in which we look at life by conscious attention, for when we attend to something we ignore everything else. Attention is narrowed perception. It is a way of looking at life bit by bit, using memory to string the bits together—as when examining a dark room with a flashlight having a very narrow beam. Perception thus narrowed has the advantage of being sharp and bright, but it has to focus on one area of the world after another, and one feature after another. And where there are no features, only space or uniform surfaces, it somehow gets bored and searches about for more features. Attention is therefore something like a scanning mechanism in radar or television, and Norbert Wiener and his colleagues found some evidence that there is a similar process in the brain.
But a scanning process that observes the world bit by bit soon persuades its user that the world is a great collection of bits, and these he calls separate things or events. We often say that you can only think of one thing at a time. The truth is that in looking at the world bit by bit we convince ourselves that it consists of separate things; and so give ourselves the problem of how these things are connected and how they cause and effect each other. The problem would never have arisen if we had been aware that it was just our way of looking at the world which had chopped it up into separate bits, things, events, causes, and effects. We do not see that the world is all of a piece like the head-tailed cat."
It is also mentioned in the film Mindwalk too.
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