Inherently Violent?

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23 May 2014 02:46 #147998 by
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Renny wrote: I saw something on the internet a couple days ago
about a father who witnessed a man trying to rape his 5 year old daughter who he proceeded to beat to, I believe, near death. He called the police, but the would be rapist died. He wasn't charged or imprisoned.


There again, intent and other variables have to come into play. I had a high school friend who got into a verbal altercation with his girlfriend at the time, and was then punched by another guy, and died almost instantly. One punch to the head.

So was the father just whaling on the other guy for like an hour, or were just a few impassioned, heat of the moment blows involved?

Variables, man.

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23 May 2014 03:35 #148000 by
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Daniel L. wrote: Also like his other quote

Dr. Ian Malcolm: If I may... Um, I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here, it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now you're selling it, you wanna sell it!


The only problem I had with this quote....is that it's not uncommon to stand on the shoulders of geniuses. In fact, it's impossible not to.

As for selling it etc, well, life finds a way...

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23 May 2014 04:16 #148001 by
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Desolous wrote:

Renny wrote: I saw something on the internet a couple days ago
about a father who witnessed a man trying to rape his 5 year old daughter who he proceeded to beat to, I believe, near death. He called the police, but the would be rapist died. He wasn't charged or imprisoned.


There again, intent and other variables have to come into play. I had a high school friend who got into a verbal altercation with his girlfriend at the time, and was then punched by another guy, and died almost instantly. One punch to the head.

So was the father just whaling on the other guy for like an hour, or were just a few impassioned, heat of the moment blows involved?

Variables, man.


I'm not sure, the thing I saw wasn't like a full fledge article
I just remember seeing it because of the conversation. If I had to guess I would say he probably just beat the guy up pretty hard before calming down and calling the police.

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23 May 2014 15:18 #148024 by
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Yes, we are inherently violent. The universe is inherently violent. What I find amusing is the significance we place on the "violence" committed by other humans. It is certainly a big deal to the individual victim of a violent crime, but it pales in comparison to the violence of a super nova. Those are happening all the time, and would quite easily eliminate anything and everything able to debate this topic. If only we could ask a dinosaur if meteors are violent...

Any violence should be considered an expression of the Force. Darth Vader put it best... "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."

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23 May 2014 17:17 - 23 May 2014 17:28 #148031 by Wescli Wardest
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I think that people pursue the issue of violence not because the universe isn’t a naturally occurring violent place but because they desire security and comfort. Look at the different societies throughout history… they were violent. And it wasn’t till the Renaissance that violence began to take such a back seat in the day to day affairs of our lives.

But seriously, who wouldn’t want to live with the peace of mind of knowing (or at least feeling) that they don’t have to worry about marauders, attacks, rape, persecution or genocide? Even the practice of domination by an alpha, or those that would challenge for that role has been chastised. Are we really helping ourselves as a species, society or people?

I feel that due to our lack or desire, as a whole, to test ourselves against opposition and stray from our comfortable existence where everyone is special and we revel in mediocrity we have set the precedent for our own failure and the emanate demise of if not the species at the very least society as we know it. And someone will say that society changes with the times. Or that all things change. And they do! But are preparing future generations for better, or worst?

And since we exist on a planet with finite resources and an increasing demand on those resources are we to deprive those that would for those that buck the system? Or should they be set to the will of the masses? Without reducing this to a standard argumentum reductionis ad absurdum, can anyone tell me why tolerance seems to have become the substitute for personal suffering? Personal suffering being where it is more preferable to not only allow but to “tolerate” the evil of men at the cost of others.

And since the world seems to favor governments and policy based on argumentum ad numerum, at what point to we stand on our principles and refuse to be subjugated to the tyranny of insanity?

Equilibrium is not just the fulcrum in which all things come into balance. In life, ever changing and constant, is not more accurate to suggest that it is influence that keeps life in balance? Neither good, bad nor neutral; but, rather active and in the moment. Doing what is set before you and playing your role.

Just thinking out loud and ranting… never mind me. :P

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23 May 2014 19:24 #148035 by
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@Khaos Interesting to note at the beginning of the film when the helicopter is bumpy while landing and Dr Grant ties two female ends of the seat belts together. It's reiterated later when the dinosaurs begin breeding.

Desolous wrote: making my head hurt, bro.


This is what Watts had to say:
Warning: Spoiler!


It is also mentioned in the film Mindwalk too.

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18 Jun 2014 01:52 #150554 by
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i have been exorcising self control for 20 years now and never needed to be violent, my grand mother was from India and looked after mahatma gandhi in prison, she used to teach me ways of absorbing anger, so i never had to shout in anger my whole life : ) Inherently Violent yes Inherently stupid 30 70 but 99% is possible if you can remove the theory of ownership lolz : ) hope one day we will rise : )

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