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The Pope
what do you think of him?
I used to ignore what the pope did. I found them to be idols that people worship instead of God, which in the Bible is one of the first commandments. But this new guy, he's humble, he's down to earth, he does things that Jesus would do, such as washing and kissing the feet of prisoners. I'm not saying he should be worshiped, but rather followed as an example. He tends to act like no one is beneath him, and I find that refreshing.
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And you don't need to know that... he is a good man... learn from him.
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Let's not forget he doesn't look like palpatine either....
I'm not christian of any kind but this is the first pope I've seen that I like...I'm not converting though...but I can appreciate a good man when I see one...
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I know I'm asking a bit much, but it's not like he isn't sitting at the top of the wealthiest entity on the planet with complete authority on how to use the resources of said entity. If anyone could fix the problems of the world, the Pope could.
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Roddan_Andreus wrote: He's a good guy, for sure, but he's still a Catholic. When he sends the child molesters to be prosecuted, and allows gays and women into the priesthood, I'll call him Super-Pope. Oh, and not using the Popemobile is great, but it would also be great if he used some more of the vast wealth of the church to end hunger, shelter the homeless (maybe in that city that he owns?), and help cure diseases in third world countries... without turning it into a mission to make more Catholics.
I know I'm asking a bit much, but it's not like he isn't sitting at the top of the wealthiest entity on the planet with complete authority on how to use the resources of said entity. If anyone could fix the problems of the world, the Pope could.
Oh for fox sake.... I'm going to politely inform you of things you seem to have wrong
He's a good guy, for sure, but he's still a Catholic. When he sends the child molesters to be prosecuted
Catholics within the church have actually taken a firm stand on that including bishops. The number of molestations that occur in secular roles is actually higher and so is the rate of sexual abuse higher in protestant ministries.
and allows gays and women into the priesthood, I'll call him Super-Pope.
The issue isn't women priesthood, that's something that could not be changed, it's doctrine and dogmatic, wanting the catholic church to change that is ignorant of the real problem and to be honest, unfair. The real problem was the fact that unlike the other forms of christianity out there, Catholics were fairly paranoid about finance and land. There was obviously a time when celibacy didn't exist outside of monasticism in the catholic church and when it was introduced and to this day it has had nothing to do with piety. Take this for example, a priest runs a church and he has a wife and child, the priest passes away one day, the issue was that where does the finance and land under the priest's name go to? The church got paranoid and made a jerk move so they wouldn't have to steal from widows and just banned marriage in the priesthood all together. To solve the issue, the problem of celibacy and the deception that it is for piety needs to be addressed. The understanding of what " presbyter" actually means in both christianity and how it translated to imam, Rabbi etc etc needs to be addressed and how the Roman Catholic church actually blew it. Also gay priests was actually a problem, ever heard of suppression?
but it would also be great if he used some more of the vast wealth of the church to end hunger, shelter the homeless (maybe in that city that he owns?)
... he is doing that lol, for the time he has been in papacy, Frank ( we're good lads and on a first name basis) has been distributing the wealth ( in secret to avoid boasting and distraction from true charity) and has put effort to redesign the church according to a more franciscan tradition, guessing that's his preference.
this is probably one point I agree on however the culture crimes associated with christian evangelism usually have nothing to do with the christian church. The biggest perpetrators of this crime is the Church of Scotland and Church of England. So not really relevant to the modern Catholic church, now is it?without turning it into a mission to make more Catholics.
Again Ol' Frank has been putting in as much effort as he can to tackle the issues available to his authority. But sure lets hold all the planets problems and weigh them on one individual...saves me from putting any effort in.if anyone could fix the problems of the world, the Pope could
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Catholics within the church have actually taken a firm stand on that including bishops. The number of molestations that occur in secular roles is actually higher and so is the rate of sexual abuse higher in protestant ministries.
It is easy to take a firm stance on something. However, the fact remains that the church would still rather cover up a priest's transgression and move him to another parish than allow him to face criminal prosecution. If they had such as strong stance, they would investigate such matters, and/or allow the police to do the same, and make sure that any priest is at least fully vetted if not an actual child molester.
Statistics of the number of abusers doesn't concern me as much as the policy of treatment for such.
The issue isn't women priesthood, that's something that could not be changed, it's doctrine and dogmatic, wanting the catholic church to change that is ignorant of the real problem and to be honest, unfair. The real problem was the fact that unlike the other forms of christianity out there, Catholics were fairly paranoid about finance and land.
So there is NO way that a woman could be a priest now? Just because real estate and inheritance law was a bit tricky back in the day? That's the justification for continued discrimination of half the population from possible priesthood? As if the Catholic church doesn't have a lawyer in almost every dioceses willing to sort out such matters?
Not much of an argument, my friend.
Celibacy is a separate issue, which I hadn't addressed, nor do I feel inclined to. There is already a strong movement within the church (from what I have heard) that feels that this policy is outdated and needs to change.
Again Ol' Frank has been putting in as much effort as he can to tackle the issues available to his authority. But sure lets hold all the planets problems and weigh them on one individual...saves me from putting any effort in.
My point (overly sarcastic though it may have been) is that though I am sure that Papa Francisco is doing his bit to help the poor and such, the Catholic church is a massive organization, with insane wealth, and a vast personnel, all with the very mandate of doing their best to help the poor and the sick, and generally trying to make the world a better place. You would think that we would be far better off by now...
And why not be public about it? He is supposedly the right hand of God. Jesus wouldn't have gotten too far if he were all "low-profile." Ooh, these money lenders in the temple are making me angry! I guess a strongly-worded letter is in order...
Honestly, I am just a former Catholic venting a bit. I am happy to argue these points with you, but I don't really have much stake in them. I happen to like the new pope, it just remains to be seen how much of a reformer he will be.
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So there is NO way that a woman could be a priest now? Just because real estate and inheritance law was a bit tricky back in the day? That's the justification for continued discrimination of half the population from possible priesthood? As if the Catholic church doesn't have a lawyer in almost every dioceses willing to sort out such matters?
Not much of an argument, my friend.
Celibacy is a separate issue, which I hadn't addressed, nor do I feel inclined to. There is already a strong movement within the church (from what I have heard) that feels that this policy is outdated and needs to change.
no...that wasn't my argument lol. I was just explaining celibacy and how the problem of priesthood is that, so if anything you should be addressing that because if there is any issue or problem with the catholic church's priesthood, it's that. What your issue is, is completely irrellevant to the catholic priesthood. As I said in the beginning, this is doctrine and dogmatic and is inherent with the understanding of what priesthood and presbyter really means, something you seem to be really ignorant on. Yet both the understanding of what a presbyter actually was ( which isn't something I think is sexist or bad) and the doctrine make a female priesthood impossible.
Again Ol' Frank has been putting in as much effort as he can to tackle the issues available to his authority. But sure lets hold all the planets problems and weigh them on one individual...saves me from putting any effort in.
My point (overly sarcastic though it may have been) is that though I am sure that Papa Francisco is doing his bit to help the poor and such, the Catholic church is a massive organization, with insane wealth, and a vast personnel, all with the very mandate of doing their best to help the poor and the sick, and generally trying to make the world a better place. You would think that we would be far better off by now...
And why not be public about it? He is supposedly the right hand of God. Jesus wouldn't have gotten too far if he were all "low-profile." Ooh, these money lenders in the temple are making me angry! I guess a strongly-worded letter is in order...
Honestly, I am just a former Catholic venting a bit. I am happy to argue these points with you, but I don't really have much stake in them. I happen to like the new pope,
[/quote]it just remains to be seen how much of a reformer he will be.
The problems of this world for the most part are political and economical as structured that the effort of the vatican wouldn't be of much use. Where they can help and the issues they can help with, they do. They can't wave a magic wand and make it all better, the international problems of the world are complex, and the vatican isn't the solution, nor it's authority, personel or wealth. That stock is in use.
And why is it kept in secret? He is Pope FRANCIS, lol. He takes after the franciscan tradition which was one of heavy humility, it's his own way of expressing his devotion to G-d. And by Christian doctrine...he actually isn't the right hand of G-d, that is Christ himself.. the priest is actually a servant of Christ ( again, you really need to understand what the priesthood actually is). And he is actually doing something, which as a social worker I can commend, to equate it to an armchair critic is again unfair ( though you already admitted your bias). Not to mention contradicting, because if he makes it more public and wants everybody to do it, he is trying to make more catholics..
it just remains to be seen how much of a reformer he will be.
No, what the issue is, is that you're holding a level of expectations on how much he has and will reform when he has already provided radical examples of that, lol. Is it that he hasn't or won't reform at all? Or just not enough to your expectations.
Again in all politeness, assess your perspective. Because I too am a former Catholic, and as a Satanist ( lol), even I think the dude's alright.
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