Libertarianism and being Jedi

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20 Nov 2013 02:33 #125530 by Brenna
But doesnt a functioning social system need to take into account how to deal with people trying to take advantage of said system?


Unless im missing something :huh:



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20 Nov 2013 02:34 #125531 by Wescli Wardest
Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a set of related political philosophies that uphold liberty as the highest political end. This includes emphasis on the primacy of individual liberty, political freedom, and voluntary association. It is the antonym to authoritarianism. Different schools of libertarianism disagree over whether the state should exist and, if so, to what extent. While minarchists propose a state limited in scope to preventing aggression, theft, breach of contract and fraud, anarchists advocate its complete elimination as a political system. While certain libertarian currents are supportive of laissez-faire capitalism and private property rights, such as in land and natural resources, others reject capitalism and private ownership of the means of production, instead advocating their common or cooperative ownership and management (libertarian socialism).

The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, libertarianism is defined as the moral view that agents initially fully own themselves and have certain moral powers to acquire property rights in external things. Libertarian philosopher Roderick Long defines libertarianism as "any political position that advocates a radical redistribution of power from the coercive state to voluntary associations of free individuals", whether "voluntary association" takes the form of the free market or of communal co-operatives. The U.S. Libertarian Party promotes individual sovereignty and seeks an end to coercion, advocating a government that is limited to protecting individuals from the initiation of force.


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20 Nov 2013 02:38 #125534 by
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Red, that is CERTAINLY a possibility. It's up to individuals to stop that from happening.

Brenna, I believe that's other individuals' responsibility.

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20 Nov 2013 02:40 #125535 by Brenna
So, how would other individuals stop it from happening?



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20 Nov 2013 02:46 #125536 by
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Is it correct to say that Libertarianism is not only a political platform, but also a philosopy? also a movement?

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20 Nov 2013 02:49 #125537 by ren
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libertarianism does not mean there is no government. It means the purpose of the system is to guarantee the maximum amount of freedom possible. A system that does not do this is not libertarian. Some people advocate anarchism others do not.

As to how individuals make anything happen or not: We've had many societies, anarchist, monarchist, various forms of democracy, and we still haven't found out.

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20 Nov 2013 02:52 #125538 by Brenna

ren wrote: As to how individuals make anything happen or not: We've had many societies, anarchist, monarchist, various forms of democracy, and we still haven't found out.


Yes, but im asking how does Libertarianism propose to do that.



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20 Nov 2013 02:57 #125539 by
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They would make laws to do so, I imagine.

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20 Nov 2013 03:00 - 20 Nov 2013 03:01 #125540 by Brenna
Which means that a line would have to be drawn on what you are and are not free to do?



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20 Nov 2013 03:05 #125542 by Wescli Wardest
I just posted definitions that are excepted and taught. Pointed out a few things that caught my attention.

"Don't shoot the messenger."

I think that people often get an impression of what they want to be true and not what is true. And seeing what is there is not always the easiest thing.

What I found most interesting was the first sentence.

a set of related political philosophies that uphold liberty as the highest political end.

The highest political end....

That can be interpreted in many ways and not everyone's intentions are as pure as we might hope.

Those that preach freedom do so because they really fear losing it. I can't remember who said it, but it was a good paper.

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It is not power that corrupts but fear. Fear of losing power corrupts those who wield it and fear of the scourge of power corrupts those who are subjected to it.
Aung San Suu Kyi 1991


Fear is not a good reason for motivation.

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