FA's Current Status

Br. John wrote: and not allow a renegade person to take it over.

Remember renegade is in the eye of the beholder. To some you are that renegade.

Just out of curiosity, I have seen this in a different light via an organization before, an assurance of intent such as a validated 501c3 form or basic charter used to set aside funds to ensure the maintenance of the domain so that it does not need to be bought again in the future, essentially repeating the same effort then the transfer is no big deal and monetary compensation for the URL can be held at a minimum?

I just wanted to see if that's the intent here because that does make sense on a business level particularly in defense of a particular domain that could be used to make a profit.

To be honest I don't know enough to say much as far as liking to see this resolved in a mutual fashion for everyone as we are all the same community even if we have slightly different takes.

But, if similar were to happen to TOTJO, I would defend the URL similarly, even though I do not have the ability to run the actual site itself, until someone with a designated ability/fund to run it, and maintain ownership of the URL without me having to repurchase again in the future.

Again this is just kinda what I want to see if this is where it is going at.

Much Love, Respect, and Peace,
Kobos

Right. It does not need it. After all it is just the fancy letters which point to space on a server, not the server.

Shrug

The FA order is still Alive and kicking
Trust me and trust the force

if you have questions about FA,

by all means, talk to
Alethea Thompson

https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/community/1205-alethea-thompson

Here's what I will say regarding Satelle- I trust her. I've never had reason to trust Andy (the .com holder), or Colin (the .co.uk holder). Satelle, on the other hand, has proven her grit over and over again. She's also quite accomplished in the cyber world- which affords her the understanding of a need to maintain things rather than slip away from us at random.

Of all the people who have ever held the domain name, she's the first that actually has proven there's a vested interest in maintaining the FA so that we can move forward. And she's even invested time in really putting together a working program to train Dark Jedi in the Dark Aspect (a system she's been working on and evolving since she founded and ran Fatum Operandi).

There are VERY few names, outside of myself, I could entrust with the FA's domain. Satelle is one of them.

Long-time member of FA, and person who facilitated the beginning of the FA move.

I also would put my full confidence behind Satelle.

I don't think Br. John is looking for a round of good vibes and inspirational recommendations so much as some paperwork and registered entities.....

We're not incorporated though, nor are we likely to make the attempt for such. So the paperwork may not be an option, at least not in the respects of how I'm understanding such.

Don't get me wrong, I completely understand Br. John's position. And I have a very good idea of what other factors are playing into his logic. I'm sure that he could find a way to draw up a contract that would make everything work out though, if the contract is indeed the best method of assurance that the domain won't fall apart like our other two did.

Alethea Thompson wrote: Ren, you're letting your assumptions show again.

In fact, what it was, is that Satelle was given information that John held the .com too by someone else (not me) who was mixed up on who had what.

You seem to have this knack for thinking the worst of people.

I am not thinking, i am witnessing people throwing accusations, i am witnessing unreasonable demands, i am witnessing ill-informed people. Wild accusations, unreasonable demands and ignorance are not fostored here, and go sgainst our stated beliefs.

I'm not the one going around making wild claims. At the end of the day, he who owns a domain can run a site on it. ICANN decides who the legitimate claimant of an ICANN domain is is. If a domain belongs to someone else, buy your own to run your own site on.

Ren, seriously- this isn't your fight. I don't know why you're trying to pitch your own fit. Honestly, I don't know why most of you felt the need to jump into the discussion. You all could have easily just watched and seen what happens. There are wild accusations from ToTJO members too, it's not just a misunderstanding from the administrator of FA.

There's no need to pressure Br. John in either direction, and you guys don't even have the first idea as to what the circumstances were surrounding his purchasing the domain. So why not let him and Satelle continue their dispute (hopefully at this point it can go to private message, since there are so few sensible people in this thread already), and leave the peanut gallery out.

Geez, and you guys wonder why there is so much chaos amongst the ToTJO membership... It's because there are key members that don't have a modicum of discipline and cause a MASSIVE deterrence from espirit de corps.

At least this non-sense doesn't happen in the ToTJO Discord groups, save ever-so-sparingly and then is quashed quickly.

/leaves room permanently

I'm guessing ren spoke up because he was one of the few people who actually knew the true story and was willing to set the record straight in a discussion about it.

There is a tendency to align to one side or the other and draw lines - but there is no real need to attack the Temple. Its a discussion forum, and people discuss.... the replies stemmed from the emotion coming from the 332173. Aggression creates defense mechanisms and attack mechanisms depending on how one sees themselves aligned in the 'conflict' asserted as the cause of the emotion... its human nature I guess.

Consider though that from different perspectives different people appear as bad as each other and in those situations its often seen by an outsider as just two camps of monkeys doing the same poop slinging and blaming the other bloke for everyone being covered in poop.

At least the nature of the replies show where each person is at in their training, for it is a training temple after all. So long as people are not breaking rules or abusing the system then being on the 'wrong' side of an argument is not a failure of the debate - its a failure of a particular argument within a debate. No need to attack the Temple for facilitating discussion, even when it is a less then glowing testament to the focus on training!!!!

Alethea Thompson wrote: Ren, seriously- this isn't your fight. I don't know why you're trying to pitch your own fit. Honestly, I don't know why most of you felt the need to jump into the discussion. You all could have easily just watched and seen what happens. There are wild accusations from ToTJO members too, it's not just a misunderstanding from the administrator of FA.

There's no need to pressure Br. John in either direction, and you guys don't even have the first idea as to what the circumstances were surrounding his purchasing the domain. So why not let him and Satelle continue their dispute (hopefully at this point it can go to private message, since there are so few sensible people in this thread already), and leave the peanut gallery out.

Geez, and you guys wonder why there is so much chaos amongst the ToTJO membership... It's because there are key members that don't have a modicum of discipline and cause a MASSIVE deterrence from espirit de corps.

At least this non-sense doesn't happen in the ToTJO Discord groups, save ever-so-sparingly and then is quashed quickly.

/leaves room permanently

"They" get involved because they can, they're bitter, and have absolutely nothing better to do with their time. They feel entitled and feed on the energy their drama creates...

Pay attention people, this right here is why we lose Knights, Apprentices and members alike. Do nothing, play it safe, and it will get worse...

Ren, seriously- this isn't your fight. I don't know why you're trying to pitch your own fit.

Someone was accused of something they didnt do, and being pressured to part with their property. It is my fight if i want to make it mine.

There was no misunderstanding. It takes a few seconds to perform a whois on a domain and see who the squatters are. The business which owns forceacademy.com is not br.john or any other member of totjo.

Satelle wrote: Updating this, since the FA site at forceacademy.us has been up and running for a year now.

As noted, the co.uk owner was not communicating, and a new domain was bought. Unfortunately, forceacademy.com, the original domain from the late 90s, is held by a member of this order at the generous price of over $6000. Given the same person apparently owns forceacademy.org, I cannot imagine it being acquired by the current maintainer of the FA legacy, me.

The legacy of the Force Academy will continue, no matter what domain name, and I'm not going to pay the ransom for the original domain so that someone can make a substantial profit. If he wishes to considerably drop his price or discover a Jedi's generosity, I'm all ears. To my knowledge, he did not while we were struggling to transition the site, but we survived anyway. Until then, I am happy to let it cost him a little money each year to renew it.

That said, we're up and running at https://www.forceacademy.us. The .us stands for US, which is better than .opportunisticprofit.

Nobody ever asked me for the domain. As you see in the earlier posts in this thread Alethea asked me to forward it and nothing more.

I’ve never listed the domain for sale.

A drop of honey draws more flies than a gallon of gall. ~ Abraham Lincoln