Darth Maul: Apprentice (Short Film)

This is (actually) a fan-made film...



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"No mercy nor compassion limits you ... .... this is the beginning of the end for all Jedi."

We may want to learn something from that ...

Brilliant. Her wild swinging fighting style made me cringe.

So, here's what I never really got. What was the magical element that Obiwan had that made him win against Darth Maul? He was clearly not better than his master, and revenge certainly wouldn't have been the tool he used... that's a Sith trait. It's the same thing that Luke used when Vader mentioned turning Leia to the dark side. Suddenly he went all "NEVER!" and had the ability to win.

If anyone could put a finger on what to call that, it would sure be helpful.

Snowy Aftermath wrote: If anyone could put a finger on what to call that, it would sure be helpful.

"Form V", which kind of mimics swinging a bat (or broad sword) as opposed to many others who are a bit more like fencing or katana swinging.

Proteus wrote:

Snowy Aftermath wrote: If anyone could put a finger on what to call that, it would sure be helpful.

"Form V", which kind of mimics swinging a bat (or broad sword) as opposed to many others who are a bit more like fencing or katana swinging.

I meant about the middle paragraph, lol, but ty xD

As for me, I'll just call it "choreography".

What struck me too there, was how well the actor portraying Maul brought across the conflict he was feeling -- he had to overcome himself to not be merciful and compassionate. It was similar to the way Prowse brought out the despair of Vader on the passerelle after Luke had been taken away (Ep. VI). All that with no words ... (in Prowse's case, no visual expression either)

It is interesting to ponder how that balance gets upset : we need the space to let it wiggle on the axis. There is naturally that moment (and sometimes it can seem a long moment) of 'conflict' where we have to choose between doing what we feel like doing and what we know we ought do. And there is the element of pondering that "ought" that wiggles that wiggle a little more Force-fully.

There are better things to look at in this film than lightsabre technique. That is merely dance next to the underlying message.

Alexandre Orion wrote: As for me, I'll just call it "choreography".

There are better things to look at in this film than lightsabre technique. That is merely dance next to the underlying message.

I'm not asking about fighting styles. Meh. Forget it.

I'm sorry, Snowy ... I think I understand now.

What was the magical element that Obiwan had that made him win against Darth Maul?

It's the same thing that Luke used when Vader mentioned turning Leia to the dark side. Suddenly he went all "NEVER!" and had the ability to win.

I don't know what that is called, if it is called anything in particular. It seems to me just a "darkest before the dawn" moment, where - in the circumstances demonstrated in those scenes - there were very limited possibilities. In neither Obi-Wan's case of hanging off of that 'whatever it was', nor Luke's of hiding under the estrade, could they stay there forever -- it was a mini "belly of the whale" réflexion moment for both. In that réflexion arises the realisation that one must act and in doing so, perhaps fail and die, but if one doesn't act, one will have failed and probably still die -- along with everyone else.

There comes an epiphany, a déclic, where one knows one is just screwed. Odds are, we can't get to it unless we're 'just screwed'. That is what Campbell and Watts (notably referencing Jung) were talking about with regard to "sublimation". When death is far away, it is a horrible demon ; when it is upon us, it is sublime.

Is that what you were talking about ?

Alexandre Orion wrote: I'm sorry, Snowy ... I think I understand now.

What was the magical element that Obiwan had that made him win against Darth Maul?

It's the same thing that Luke used when Vader mentioned turning Leia to the dark side. Suddenly he went all "NEVER!" and had the ability to win.

I don't know what that is called, if it is called anything in particular. It seems to me just a "darkest before the dawn" moment, where - in the circumstances demonstrated in those scenes - there were very limited possibilities. In neither Obi-Wan's case of hanging off of that 'whatever it was', nor Luke's of hiding under the estrade, could they stay there forever -- it was a mini "belly of the whale" réflexion moment for both. In that réflexion arises the realisation that one must act and in doing so, perhaps fail and die, but if one doesn't act, one will have failed and probably still die -- along with everyone else.

There comes an epiphany, a déclic, where one knows one is just screwed. Odds are, we can't get to it unless we're 'just screwed'. That is what Campbell and Watts (notably referencing Jung) were talking about with regard to "sublimation". When death is far away, it is a horrible demon ; when it is upon us, it is sublime.

Is that what you were talking about ?

Yes! And woo! what an answer. I'm going to have to think about that.

The word "sublime" just keeps popping up in my face and knocking the breath out of me.

Thank you

Snowy Aftermath wrote: So, here's what I never really got. What was the magical element that Obiwan had that made him win against Darth Maul? He was clearly not better than his master, and revenge certainly wouldn't have been the tool he used... that's a Sith trait. It's the same thing that Luke used when Vader mentioned turning Leia to the dark side. Suddenly he went all "NEVER!" and had the ability to win.

Honestly, it was probably an instinctual slide into a lightsaber form Obi-Wan didn't know at the time, Form VII. Juyo (and Mace Windu's variation, Vaapad) was a wild, unpredictable form that allows the emotions to have a greater impact on the style itself. The reason Windu kept Vaapad to himself (and his apprentices) is because it skirts so very close to allowing the Dark Side to take control. I just always assumed that something in Obi-Wan snapped in that moment, and he just got a little too angry for a moment.

What was so special about Obi-Wan that made him win?

Plot. He was destined to make it to episode 4.

Khaos wrote: What was so special about Obi-Wan that made him win?

Plot. He was destined to make it to episode 4.

I refuse to believe that, Khaos, lol. NOOOOOOOOOOO!

Determination sometimes needs a bit of a jolt to 'wake up'.

Darth Maul's death looked like just surprise rather then any unique Form... basically just a forward flip from handhold followed by a simple slash - the gymnastics is the most impressive bit. A combination of unexpected move with inadequate resting defence.... Maul was either tired (slow, doubt it), inexperienced (unlikely) or filled with ego (likely) against Obi Wan. The female Apprentice in this vid seemd IMO to be Form III, but slipping back to Form V when getting tired.

I don't think Maul thought it was compassion which he was contemplating, but his Master knew better :lol:

Proteus wrote: This is (actually) a fan-made film...

Warning: Spoiler!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djo_91jN3Pk

:ohmy:

And this has to do with what?

Rickie wrote:

Proteus wrote: This is (actually) a fan-made film...

Warning: Spoiler!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djo_91jN3Pk

:ohmy:

And this has to do with what?

Just respect for a very well made Star Wars fan-film. (The relevancy is the Star Wars forum section that this thread is posted in btw).

(Yes, even I enjoy and like to share some Star Wars fiction from time to time, why not?)

obi-wan's secret?....could it possibly be....love?...in the fiction master and apprentice form a bond, what happens to one can be felt by the other...when qui gon was killed obi-wan was overcome with grief...he had to focus his grief in order to devise a strategy, and summon the strength to stop maul from killing anyone else...think about the stories about mothers being able to do superhuman feats in order to save their children...love....emotion is a powerful tool if you can harness it.

RyuJin wrote: obi-wan's secret?....could it possibly be....love?...in the fiction master and apprentice form a bond, what happens to one can be felt by the other...when qui gon was killed obi-wan was overcome with grief...he had to focus his grief in order to devise a strategy, and summon the strength to stop maul from killing anyone else...think about the stories about mothers being able to do superhuman feats in order to save their children...love....emotion is a powerful tool if you can harness it.

Argh... I hate when "love" is the reason for things. It feels like weaksauce. But you're right xD

Snowy Aftermath wrote:

RyuJin wrote: obi-wan's secret?....could it possibly be....love?...in the fiction master and apprentice form a bond, what happens to one can be felt by the other...when qui gon was killed obi-wan was overcome with grief...he had to focus his grief in order to devise a strategy, and summon the strength to stop maul from killing anyone else...think about the stories about mothers being able to do superhuman feats in order to save their children...love....emotion is a powerful tool if you can harness it.

Argh... I hate when "love" is the reason for things. It feels like weaksauce. But you're right xD

lol...believe it or not, i'm not fond of it myself, but only because i have almost no experience with it firsthand, i have witnessed it in others...due to bullies, an abusive childhood, and a lifetime of misfortune i have more firsthand experience using anger/rage/hate than love...but emotion is emotion...and emotion is a powerful tool....

most of the time when i see a couple acting all "lovey dovey" part of me wants to vomit, another part of me wants to smack their heads together....

Proteus wrote:

Rickie wrote:

Proteus wrote: This is (actually) a fan-made film...

Warning: Spoiler!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djo_91jN3Pk

:ohmy:

And this has to do with what?

Just respect for a very well made Star Wars fan-film. (The relevancy is the Star Wars forum section that this thread is posted in btw).

(Yes, even I enjoy and like to share some Star Wars fiction from time to time, why not?)

the Star Wars forum section

Sorry for the knee jerk post.

RyuJin wrote :

most of the time when i see a couple acting all "lovey dovey" part of me wants to vomit, another part of me wants to smack their heads together....

... because I envy that Joy and yearn for it. (in my case, of course)