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08 Jan 2016 17:32 - 08 Jan 2016 17:34 #220159
by OB1Shinobi
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the most concise explanation that ive found of how sonar harms marine mammals was from http://blog.seattlepi.com/candacewhiting/2012/03/08/how-navy-sonar-kills-whales-and-dolphins/ which you can find in the spoiler
its a very quick read
also, here is a 4 minute youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNVzHhocd8I
i didnt know, and i figured probably some others dont know either
its a very quick read
Warning: Spoiler!
“Sound penetrates an animal’s body when immersed in water. Essentially all of acoustic energy goes into a body immersed in water. This effect, which can cause tissue rupture and hemorrhage, has not been adequately addressed in the Navy’s [environmental impact statement]. The implications (of the effect of sound penetration) for marine life are very serious, as described next.”
“The first lethal mechanism involves moderate level sound waves activating the growth of microscopic bubbles in the supersaturated blood and tissue of cetaceans. These bubbles then grow and can cause embolisms, hemorrhaging and localized pressure on the nervous system. Significant oxygen deprivation by blood vessel blockage can kill brain cells and produce stroke. For supersaturated gasses dissolved in cells rather than the blood, activation of bubble formation can rupture the cell walls.”
“The second mechanism for lethal injury involves hemorrhaging caused by acoustic resonance of the LFA [Low Frequency Active] sonar signal in cranial and other airspaces such as lungs and swim bladders. Specifically, the rapid change in pressure (from very high to very low several times per second for the duration of the one-minute LFA sonar blast) can rupture the delicate membranes enclosing the airspace.”
“Animals with air filled lungs and swim bladders are especially vulnerable because of the large difference in impedance between air in the lungs or swim bladders and their body tissues or seawater. Submerged animals exposed to explosions at short range showed hemorrhage in the lungs and ulceration of the gastro-intestinal tract.”
“The first lethal mechanism involves moderate level sound waves activating the growth of microscopic bubbles in the supersaturated blood and tissue of cetaceans. These bubbles then grow and can cause embolisms, hemorrhaging and localized pressure on the nervous system. Significant oxygen deprivation by blood vessel blockage can kill brain cells and produce stroke. For supersaturated gasses dissolved in cells rather than the blood, activation of bubble formation can rupture the cell walls.”
“The second mechanism for lethal injury involves hemorrhaging caused by acoustic resonance of the LFA [Low Frequency Active] sonar signal in cranial and other airspaces such as lungs and swim bladders. Specifically, the rapid change in pressure (from very high to very low several times per second for the duration of the one-minute LFA sonar blast) can rupture the delicate membranes enclosing the airspace.”
“Animals with air filled lungs and swim bladders are especially vulnerable because of the large difference in impedance between air in the lungs or swim bladders and their body tissues or seawater. Submerged animals exposed to explosions at short range showed hemorrhage in the lungs and ulceration of the gastro-intestinal tract.”
also, here is a 4 minute youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNVzHhocd8I
i didnt know, and i figured probably some others dont know either
People are complicated.
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08 Jan 2016 22:07 #220244
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Flat out bunk. Ive done HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of hours of SONAR around marine life and they come CLOSER not move away from it and NEVER ONCE have I EVER seen a single dead marine mammal. Ive watched us have to shut down military war games a year in the planning because whales and dolphines in the area would not leave the ships alone for us to stay active pinging. Yet again not a single dead or injured whale seen or reported.
This stuff is green peace bunk pure and simple.
This stuff is green peace bunk pure and simple.
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10 Jan 2016 19:16 - 10 Jan 2016 19:35 #220698
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well, i do respect your experience and im glad to hear that every single ping doesnt necessarily cause massive death
but every source i can find agrees not only that sonar does kill underwater mammals, but that the navy has even admitted this
which is why youve had to "shut down" - because the claims have truth to them
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-military-sonar-kill/
im not trying to be argumentative, im willing to believe that sonar can be used without much harm, and in any event i certainly dont suggest that we can neglect training and compromise combat effectiveness
i shared this because it was news to me, and i figured others would find it interesting
but every source i can find agrees not only that sonar does kill underwater mammals, but that the navy has even admitted this
which is why youve had to "shut down" - because the claims have truth to them
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-military-sonar-kill/
im not trying to be argumentative, im willing to believe that sonar can be used without much harm, and in any event i certainly dont suggest that we can neglect training and compromise combat effectiveness
i shared this because it was news to me, and i figured others would find it interesting
People are complicated.
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10 Jan 2016 21:01 - 10 Jan 2016 21:37 #220712
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also just for the record, "greenpeace" is not a catch all label repesentative of every organization that promotes respect for wildlife
not saying that you think it is
i just didnt mention green peace and neither did the article or the video which i posted, so im not sure why their name came up?
not saying that you think it is
i just didnt mention green peace and neither did the article or the video which i posted, so im not sure why their name came up?
People are complicated.
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