Rants far and wide

TheDude wrote: I think the South Park episode was important. The overly politically correct people in the world aren't a good thing. Let people be offended. Say what you want about me. It is my choice to be offended by what you say or not. Freedom of speech means that nobody has the right to never hear what they don't want to hear. So let people act how they want to act, you act how you want to act, and relax.

I agree...

However, further extrapolate that...

Call me what you like, but, I may like to be offended, so then I will retaliate... Thats my right, correct? If nothing more than to point out how rude that be taken... I am offering some constructive criticism... Not falling into the accusatory ways I feel I am seeing...

Now if I retaliate with words alone, then more than likely, you will return the volly with more words, until the first of us 'isnt playing this game' and feels like we are on the 'high road' for getting out when we did, and the other may feel like 'they won'...

There are still ways of communicating and doing things that are less offensive than others... And if you offend? freaking apologize, unless of course you are in love with your ego, and think your poop dont stink... Cause you be the jedi-y-ist jedi to ever jedi... :lol:... Otherwise, why create all that negative energy? Those nasty exchanges I bring up in the next paragraph or so, leave me wrecked... Ask some of my close friends...

But, instead of words, could be the pop in the mouth I give you... Turn around an punch you right in the kisser.... People think that laws are what keeps us all polite, and when they open there big, unthinking mouths, they have to expect an ass whooping... Becasue that guy you are talking to, may not be 'all enlightened and shit' nor looking for it.... Yea, I may get arrested, but guess what? Its a fine... And, I might find it worth $100-$500 worth of my money to teach some little jerk some manners... Decisions, decisions... :woohoo:...

Some of us, actually try to not be offensive, and only use it as a last resort... Sometimes it is the only way to get things done... Or get a point across...

Sometimes, it is just lazyness on the part of the rude person....

IN a recent thread, I was kind of, not-nice... Actually, twice recently, and yet, out of the 10K posts Ive made, and way higher number conversations, you will find probably less than 5A% were me being that way... (Id say less than .01%, as I am generally nice to even the rudest folks [think James Bond to his villian], I have no statistics for 'proof') Its not necessary, and the one I am talking to might pop me in the mouth... Or in the case of TOTJO, decide that we are all like that, and not want to stay...

tl:dr- You have the right to do and say what you want. You also have the right to live with the consequences of those decisions... Including, the Ultra PC people telling you its not PC... Dont want to hear them, dont 'offend' them... You actually control their response to a point... Think of it that way...

You do control some of the waves in your ocean...

Can someone define "ultra-PC" for me? Because all I can imagine is someone who, given the choice, chooses to use terminology others don't find personally offensive... which seems pretty Jedi, to me.

If you have a choice of phrases and one offends less people, why not use that one? The notion of "I'll say what I like, how I like, and I don't have to care who it hurts" seems impressively lazy and self-centred to me. Having the right to say whatever you want doesn't automatically require you to be a dick.

I believe it's the role of Jedi to cultivate harmony. Taking responsibility for the things we say and how we choose to say them is a significant part of that, it seems to me. It's hard to be diplomatic or a force for mediation when you're outraging the people you're supposedly out to help, because you didn't feel it necessary to choose the appropriate words for the situation.

tzb wrote: Can someone define "ultra-PC" for me?



Because all I can imagine is someone who, given the choice, chooses to use terminology others don't find personally offensive... which seems pretty Jedi, to me.

Ever hear the term: "no worse non-smoker than an ex-smoker"?

For those that have not, ex-smokers have this tendency to be vocal (more so than never-smokers) about the dangers, and the illnesses, and get all worked up about smoking even being around them...

I smoked for 20 years, stopped about 6-8 years ago... I was one too fora time, lol...

By 'Ultra PC', I mean the "PC Police', who are worried about you offending anyone, anywhere, at anytime...

If you have a choice of phrases and one offends less people, why not use that one? The notion of "I'll say what I like, how I like, and I don't have to care who it hurts" seems impressively lazy and self-centred to me. Having the right to say whatever you want doesn't automatically require you to be a dick.

I believe it's the role of Jedi to cultivate harmony. Taking responsibility for the things we say and how we choose to say them is a significant part of that, it seems to me. It's hard to be diplomatic or a force for mediation when you're outraging the people you're supposedly out to help, because you didn't feel it necessary to choose the appropriate words for the situation.

Agreed...

Better said than I said it... lol...

someone said this to me recently

" its just part of my Jedi path to assert a higher degree of care to the rest of the society then what might be normal for the internet."

that's a snippet of a broader conversation obviously but its appropriate

ive offended people here myself and I can tell you that its not an easy thing to live down

as jedi it IS important to be aware and disciplined in how we present ourselves and how we treat others

theres a principle behind these things which is bigger than just "PC'

to my mind, "PC", or "ultra PC" is when someone ignores or even censors the meaningful and important topics or ideas because they are or can be uncomfortable to someone EVEN THOUGH they are important topics or ideas

"JERK" is when someone just takes the conversation and makes it uncomfortable because they are stuck in "conflict mode" or "I don't give a sh*t mode" or whatever

Jestor....I'm wondering if this conversation here should split? Its...kind of off topic from the OP's purpose.

I see your point, but I think this has ran its course as well...

I do personally feel like mine is/was a rant... Or as 'ranty' as I get, lol...

I dobt very much we will have to wait very long for the next, rant, unrelated to this little derail...

If Im wrong, I'll split...

As you say *bows*

I just interviewed a person who said the word "like" 43 times and "ya know" 38 times in a 10 minute conversation. It got, like, really annoying, ya know?

When I'm only halfway through the first planet after Telos, and I've already apprenticed bao-dur and atton, got visas on the team, know about kreia/revan, and rebuilt hk-47.

People who are far too serious that they feel new members to a community or group saying "Thank You" is 'Irrelevant' and 'non-productive' to the groups theme. :blink:

I'm listening to Lynne McTaggert's The Field... Please kill me now.

When you got two people who are having issues, and you're close with both of them, so you try and help figure out how to mend them. When you don't share things, because those people need to share those things, and the only thing you ever do is try and stay out of the middle, but still want to help them figure out what's going on. And then, in doing that, find yourself feeling like you've been told you can help one or the other, but not both. When, after it's all said and done, you've realized you've caused more damage by trying to help than you ever could have by just staying out of the way. And then the accusation that the only reason you're there is for yourself, not because you care, but because you thrive off of the drama and chaos it causes. And then it happens again, with some other people... And again, and again and again. . . Maybe that person was right. That every bad thing they said to you about you was right, and you were just too stubborn to see it. And after seeing the damage it's caused to yet another group of friends... And then another... And then another. . . But you know, deep inside, you're just trying to be a good friend and help... And then you realize, you can't. Because in the end, it'll always cause more harm than good... There's really nothing more you can do once you reach that point except say....

For everyone who I've ever caused trouble, heartache, or hurt, I am truly sorry.

And then bow out and step away...

you know what pisses me of.... You put shit in this rant thread instead of talking to me!!!! It's a cowards way out...
Sick and tired of people doing this.
You don't get to do this then walk away and think its done.

All relaxed on my sofa, watching Lester Holt tell the news like a boss. I grab the remote cause i want to hear the man talk and I Got to sit up cause the damn TVs sits at an angle and the reciever doesn't catch the signal....

As I type this someone is using my stolen card details to spend my money

These are the base level requirements of your job. You're supposed to do them all the time. That is why we get upset when you don't do them and why we don't throw you a party on the rare occasion that you do. If you can't handle it get a different job.

When you're trying to do some good by lending your support to a cause or a petition and it starts becoming incredibly difficult to tell who is legit anymore and who is just playing people for chumps. This goes double for news stories and politicians, with accusations flying back and forth, pretty much anyone or cause you could possibly support seems to have some kind of shady underbelly. Hey man, I'm just trying to live well and do some good.

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Since when was did NA mean 'not accessible'?! Where do you come from?

I know I'm just a guest staying in this house, but did you really have to watch some creepy Zionist Christian propaganda after your football party? I wanted to relax after work and just take it easy, but instead I was constantly dodging people and hoping I didn't have to talk with them about anything substantial.