Is anything not a metaphor?

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10 years 10 months ago - 10 years 10 months ago #90631 by Proteus
During my walk today, a thought randomly manifested about metaphors. The thought began as the idea of money being a metaphor for the work that earned it (it represents what resulted in its presence), then extended to the idea of language, words being metaphors for ideas. Then the thought of the stories and figures of a religion being a metaphor for a belief or perception about the world. After, I thought about something I heard in an Alan Watts lecture about "physical objects" in the world simply being metaphors for different points of energy around us, metaphors that our minds simply create to comprehend this energy or happening.

So I began asking myself, is there anything in existence that is not a metaphor for that which its a result of?

If colors are metaphors for simply different wavelengths of light, and sound only a metaphor for different patterns of disturbances of energy or vibration in the air, and touch only a metaphor for what happens when the brain transmits our nerves being triggered, emotions simply being metaphors for our perceptions of a moment... is there anything that is Not a metaphor in this way?
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I think you're confusing the two concepts of metaphors being "symbols" to other things, and metaphors being "extensions" of other things.

A metaphor is basically always a "symbol" of other things. You could make the metaphor that "color is the wind" or (as you have said,) "color is a metaphor for wavelengths." Both are symbolic, even though the first isn't really factual.

A metaphor is only sometimes an "extension" of other things. So, as you have said,

money being a metaphor for the work that earned it (it represents what resulted in its presence), then extended to the idea of language, words being metaphors for ideas. Then the thought of the stories and figures of a religion being a metaphor for a belief or perception about the world. After, I thought about something I heard in an Alan Watts lecture about "physical objects" in the world simply being metaphors for different points of energy around us, metaphors that our minds simply create to comprehend this energy or happening....If colors are metaphors for simply different wavelengths of light, and sound only a metaphor for different patterns of disturbances of energy or vibration in the air, and touch only a metaphor for what happens when the brain transmits our nerves being triggered, emotions simply being metaphors for our perceptions of a moment... is there anything that is Not a metaphor in this way?

, you are thinking of defining metaphors as extensions of other things, when that isn't always true.

For example, as I have said, you could make up the metaphor that "color is the wind". However, upon examination of this metaphor, you would find that "color" and "wind" are not at all related, and they aren't "extensions" of one another in any way.

So while all metaphors are symbolic, not all of them are building blocks from other things.

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10 years 10 months ago #90635 by ren
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Everything you know is a metaphor in the sense that all you know is what you have experienced... and what you have experienced is merely a perception of yourself and your surroundings...
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10 years 10 months ago - 10 years 10 months ago #90641 by Adder

Proteus wrote: So I began asking myself, is there anything in existence that is not a metaphor for that which its a result of?

If colors are metaphors for simply different wavelengths of light, and sound only a metaphor for different patterns of disturbances of energy or vibration in the air, and touch only a metaphor for what happens when the brain transmits our nerves being triggered, emotions simply being metaphors for our perceptions of a moment... is there anything that is Not a metaphor in this way?


Things might have to be accepted as a metaphor for them to operate in that way -but yes, I would say we can ascribe values to things and associate patterns to justifying somethings metaphorical nature beyond that which created it, or otherwise is connected to it beyond observation. Is that what you mean!?
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10 years 10 months ago - 10 years 10 months ago #90651 by Proteus
What I mean is... Akkarin's "pen explanation" for example - if you see a pen and you ask him "what is this", and instead of saying the word "pen" to tell you what it is, he instead shows you what it does to show you what it is, because the word "pen" is just a metaphor to represent the pen, and the object of the pen itself has no meaning or value without the function of it, therefore, the object of the pen is only a metaphor for its function. When you see the pen, you know what it does only because you recognize the image of the pen, and when you see the image of the pen, it is associated with its function. The image of the pen, therefore is simply a metaphor for what you know its function or purpose is.

Does that make any more sense?

I guess the topic is a bit vague, because of its metaphysical nature perhaps. But its just an idea that I'm playing with really.
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Brilliant question, We can ask ourselves very similar questions about our own existence. We are aware we exist, but not where we came from. For all we know, we are all little Sim creatures being controlled in an online universe that has already been programmed by its creators. Yet those creators are also playing in a sick little game of chess as well. This goes on in an infinite cycle of different little chess games. However, they are the ones that have created the constraints to our universe. Thus, if this theroy did exist, our scope of thinking is technically further constrained, along with our knowledge.

Now, to dive into this connundrum, and to tie it into Jediism. I think that personally, we are too self aware and able to act of our own accord for this to be the case. We don't depend on a "user" to click on a toilet so we can go to the bathroom for example. That, and our individual actions can have such huge impacts that they are felt worldwide (depending on the scope and reason of the act.) Therefore, it's safe to say that we aren't just somebody's program on a desktop.

Yet, we are all technically interconnected by the Force. The way Joseph Campbell put it was that our body is a bulb, and the light inside it is "you" (the mind, or the soul.) So, I assume our minds would need common metaphors with which to communicate (the first being audible language.) Language is possibly the most nonsensical thing to make sense. It is so widespread, yet so different in so many places. The mind needed an outlet so it used a metaphor to apply to things in the world to create a way to get itself out to the world.

Maybe I'm just taking this thing way too far, becuase now I'm starting to get confused. But I think this theroy has a meaning to it. The mind or the "soul" has developed a path of communication so that other minds or "souls" can work in conjunction and understand one another. Therefore, the need of a language has spawned the need to create metaphors for functions. This is also known as the creation of words...

Like I said, maybe I'm just crazy, but this thing sent me down a rabbit hole.

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