Questions regarding Clergy processes

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26 Oct 2014 01:16 #166500 by Brenna
I wonder if the Synod would be able to take a moment to clarify the new appointment of a replacement (interim from my understanding) secretary to the clergy that has happened with no notice or announcement?

I think the person appointed is a great choice (congrats Jamie) but I am uncertain as to the process, considering the following paragraphs from the Synod charter.

"When an Office is available, a public notice will be made to the Temple requesting applications. Applicants must be a member of the Clergy or a Seminarian and be in good standing with the Temple. All applications will be fairly considered, an interview conducted and a vote taken among the Synod members as to the successful candidate. "


and

the Synod is organised into an open and accessible administrative body, dedicated to transparency and balance in Clergy management




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26 Oct 2014 01:34 #166508 by Zephyrus
Seconded. Found out about it in the skype room, and it was not addressed. :whistle:

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26 Oct 2014 01:40 #166509 by Rosalyn J
Yeah, just a little weird. Also, would like to know whats going on...now and in the future :D

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26 Oct 2014 05:19 #166523 by Jestor
I'm just reading this now.. I was contacted by someone over this issue, but I don't see "an issue" myself...

I am an interm supervisor at my job...

Interm, meaning temporary, does not have to be announced, as I understand it, nor do candidates need to apply....

An Interm whatever is a person ask to fill the role of whatever for a temporary length of time....

Should the Synod be seeking to fill the position permanently, an announcement, and the acceptance of applications, should happen then....

The Council doesn't micro manage the Synod, although we (the Council) did probably drag down the updated training a bit, we also trust them to make decisions such as these without having to account for every movement...

My thinking is, if we want to know more about what the Synod is doing, joining it might be a better way of staying in the loop.....

Although I'm sure they won't have an issue answering this "calling out"...

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26 Oct 2014 05:32 #166524 by Rosalyn J
Thanks Jestor. Appreciate the reply. That's what I was thinking as well, just wanted some clarification.
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26 Oct 2014 05:37 #166525 by Brenna
Sure. You make some good points.

But the lack of transparency or process for "temporary" positions is not mentioned or accounted for in the charter. There is a difference between the "letter of the law" and "spirit of the law"

One of the goals of having a charter was transparency, and a sense that the clergy did not operate in secret and behind closed doors. This seems like a step backward in that endeavor.



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26 Oct 2014 05:38 #166526 by Zephyrus
We weren't told it was a temporary position. :side:

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26 Oct 2014 05:47 - 26 Oct 2014 05:48 #166527 by Brenna
We weren't told anything. I specifically asked after a throw away comment that mentioned a new secretary. The justification of it being temporary was the reponse to my query about it being out of alignment with the recently announced charter.



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26 Oct 2014 05:55 #166528 by Jestor
That's what "interm" means Connor...

Brenna, if I get you right, you are simply pointing out, what you see as, a violation of the rules?

Council wasn't informed either...

I don't inform about each person I block, application I accept, or posts I modify (trying to get better on this last one though)...

As long as its not permanent, the rules are not broken if you ask me...

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26 Oct 2014 06:01 #166529 by Brenna
Yes. You're right Jestor.

The part of the synod charter governing appointments to postitions was meant to cover anyone being added to the synod for any reason.

because in the past people have felt that these things happen in secret, without notice and some felt that clergy appointed their "buddies"

I know that this was the intention of that clause, because I wrote it.



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