Ranks: Council Announcement

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06 Jun 2012 18:20 #62946 by Zanthan Storm
I will think on it, as I have said in our communications, I pulled from the IP to train here. However, that is somewhat off topic of this thread. I am glad nothing has changed, however, I expect to be part of the process of changing/creating policy on a chapter that I head.

Zanthan Storm
AKA Rev. Michael Ziskovsky OCP D.D.

Arch-bishop Abrahamic Rite
Master Knight of Jediism
Founder of Roseville, MN Chapter of TOTJO

3rd Degree Master Mason
Past Master: GM Neaj Pa Bol
Past Apprentices: Sr. Knight Kira, Knight Myos, Doriann
Current Apprentices: Bren

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06 Jun 2012 18:42 #62950 by ren
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I wasn't accusing you of any wrongdoing, however any "proper" way we come up with will undoubtedly require more communication between your chapter and the rest of totjo.

We had a real-life ordination in the UK early may, but we also made the necessary announcements and kept the necessary records of it for the rest of totjo, not just for the few of us (including two cardinals) who were there.

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06 Jun 2012 18:49 #62951 by Zanthan Storm
Totjo was informed, and informed properly. Those who I was told to be informed were. There was an announcement in accordance with the instructions I received when first asking about knighting/setting up the chapter back when I held the office of cardinal. While my chapter and the knighting in the UK are related, they are very different. Both were done with the information at the time.

I will not speak on this matter in this thread again. If you wish to continue this discussion, I ask again that we move it to a different thread or pm so questions on the ranks can continue without us distracting them.

Zanthan Storm
AKA Rev. Michael Ziskovsky OCP D.D.

Arch-bishop Abrahamic Rite
Master Knight of Jediism
Founder of Roseville, MN Chapter of TOTJO

3rd Degree Master Mason
Past Master: GM Neaj Pa Bol
Past Apprentices: Sr. Knight Kira, Knight Myos, Doriann
Current Apprentices: Bren

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06 Jun 2012 18:57 #62952 by Doriann
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I guess i dont know if i should be talking in here but i need clairifcation so when i decide to take on my owin apprentice that is off line i should still submit there work on here for others to view correct? And that is a requirement also right?

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06 Jun 2012 19:14 #62955 by ren
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We'll let you know. So far your apprentice would have to be

-Initiate
-Taken on as your apprentice according to the law.

Please read this:

www.templeofthejediorder.org/home/polici...ng-an-apprentice-law

www.templeofthejediorder.org/home/polici...rank-and-status-laws

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06 Jun 2012 19:39 #62959 by Doriann
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Well yeah i have all intentions of following the guide lines of totjo i was just wondering what the protocol was once they became an apprentice but if that is still being discused then i will wait for am offical answer

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07 Jun 2012 08:29 #63010 by Akkarin
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Doriann wrote: Well yeah i have all intentions of following the guide lines of totjo i was just wondering what the protocol was once they became an apprentice but if that is still being discused then i will wait for am offical answer


As a general answer regarding someone's rank... (I quote you but am not addressing you directly)

If I ask you are you an Initiate (as in done the initiate's programme and are eligible for apprenticeship) and you say "Yes". I say "Prove it to me" (show me the records)

If you're an apprentice I say "Prove it to me"

If you're a knight I say "Prove it to me"


So Doriann if you take on an apprentice and you start training them I say "Prove it to me"

So that's the official protocol as far as I'm aware. Everyone (that is an official member of TOTJO or it's affiliates) needs proof so that's what the protocol is

Follow the laws and then provide proof at the end. After all that's what every training master here is doing already you just happen to not log in :) (doing it offline)

N.B this is not an official 'council sanctioned' statement so it may be worth double checking what I have said. But from my experience that's what I would do

"If a tree falls in the woods and no one's around to hear it except for one man, but the tree falls on that man and kills him, does the man dying make a sound?" - Jon Lajoie

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07 Jun 2012 15:03 #63037 by Doriann
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Thanks that all i needed to know when the time comes and I have any other questions i will make sure to ask just to make sure im doing the right thing B)

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11 Jun 2012 22:26 - 11 Jun 2012 22:38 #63435 by Mark Anjuu
Just to clarify the issue with the A.Div:

The Degree Qualification Scheme was originally set up to encourage people to continue their studies after reaching Knighthood, as well as to utilise the wealth of knowledge contained in the Forum. It has been recently decided that the format for the scheme would be useful in recording the minimum level of work expected to attain Knighthood.

So under the new system, to reach Knighthood then you must have fulfilled the requirements to be awarded the A.Div. You can then continue your studies with the rest of the scheme (B.Div and beyond) if you choose to do so.

I have updated the scheme info to reflect this change.

Rev. Mark Barwell OCP
  • Pastor of the Order
  • Vice President, Bishop and Councillor of TOTJO
  • Arch-Bishop of the U.K.
  • GrandMaster Knight of Jediism
  • Paganism Special Interest Advisor
Apprentices: Leena, Darren, Slydogstags, meatloaf, Rosalyn J
Former Apprentices: Karn, Angelus, Adder, Phortis Nespin
Last edit: 11 Jun 2012 22:38 by Mark Anjuu. Reason: makes more sense now
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