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24 May 2013 20:13 #107511 by meganrtaylor
Question. I am about to do the Breakdown portion of my IP and want to know if the council wants to add the 21 maxims to that analysis, or keep it the way it is.

There are as many ways to live as there are people in the world and each one deserves a closer look.

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24 May 2013 20:21 #107515 by Jestor
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Please add it...

It is now a part of the official doctrine...

We will ask folks to go back and do it if it is not completed as the other parts are...

Thanks for asking!

I will also be going back and suggesting it to those who have completed the IP, but are still awaiting Masters...;)

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Jedi ain't Saints....


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24 May 2013 20:24 #107517 by Zephyrus
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I might do it with the new doctrine, even though I HAVE a Master. ;)

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24 May 2013 20:24 #107518 by meganrtaylor
Ok. Good stuff. Thanks for the quick reply as well. I am looking forward to breaking that one down!!

There are as many ways to live as there are people in the world and each one deserves a closer look.

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24 May 2013 21:32 #107530 by Akkarin
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Jestor wrote: Please add it...

It is now a part of the official doctrine...

We will ask folks to go back and do it if it is not completed as the other parts are...

Thanks for asking!

I will also be going back and suggesting it to those who have completed the IP, but are still awaiting Masters...;)


The 16 teachings are completely different as well...

"If a tree falls in the woods and no one's around to hear it except for one man, but the tree falls on that man and kills him, does the man dying make a sound?" - Jon Lajoie

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24 May 2013 21:42 #107532 by Jestor
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No problem...:)

Remember, your journal is yours...

You can post pretty much what you like... :)

Sith ain't Evil...
Jedi ain't Saints....


"Bake or bake not. There is no fry" - Sean Ching


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TOTJO Council
Master: Jasper_Ward
Current Apprentices: Viskhard, DanWerts, Llama Su, Trisskar
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02 Mar 2014 23:48 #140095 by Akkarin
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The maxim 'Humility' has been changed.

Old wrote: Humility: To have no ego.

New wrote: Humility: To accept the ego for what it is.


"If a tree falls in the woods and no one's around to hear it except for one man, but the tree falls on that man and kills him, does the man dying make a sound?" - Jon Lajoie

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02 Mar 2014 23:54 #140099 by steamboat28

Akkarin wrote: The maxim 'Humility' has been changed.

Old wrote: Humility: To have no ego.

New wrote: Humility: To accept the ego for what it is.


I have often explained humility to others as "not thinking less of yourself, but thinking of yourself less." I'm not sure it's entirely accurate, but it helps get the gist of it across sometimes.
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03 Mar 2014 03:52 - 03 Mar 2014 03:53 #140150 by ren
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steamboat28 wrote:

Akkarin wrote: The maxim 'Humility' has been changed.

Old wrote: Humility: To have no ego.

New wrote: Humility: To accept the ego for what it is.


I have often explained humility to others as "not thinking less of yourself, but thinking of yourself less." I'm not sure it's entirely accurate, but it helps get the gist of it across sometimes.


this was more or less the point behind "Humility: To have no ego.", as opposed to what is generally understood of humility (the kind Nietzsche dislikes).
Egolessness is a core concept/virtue/goal in some religions: it is the rejection of the idea we are separate from the whole. For us it's the Force, for Buddhists it's anata, for sufis (kind of muslims) I don't remember if it is called anything but the idea is that the believer, the world and allah are all one...
And then there's samadhi meditation, which is about focusing one the subject (of meditation) so much that the mind is no longer separate from the subject: it has no ego.

This relates to old fashioned (2001 original maxim) humility how?
A Jedi isn't boastful of their actions, because while it would be accurate to say you are responsible for, say, feeding someone, it is not truly your action:
The Force made it inevitable (for example, there was someone to be fed in the first place), and the result isn't a change in you (your ego), but a change in the Force (the whole).
To have no ego is to understand this... Which is true humility, not the absolute refusal of materialism, or the denial of one's actions or place. This would be in violation of the "honesty" and "harmony" maxims.

Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies.
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03 Mar 2014 05:49 #140159 by Br. John
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I dissent.

If you know what the ego is, if you recognize it then it ceases to be. If you feel there's something to accept it's still with you.

According to the Arabic proverb, there are no such things as a Phoenix, a Ghoul, or a True Bosom Friend, but I say to you that I found them all among my neighbors. ~ Kahlil Gibran
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