What would you expect from a knight and apprentice?

I'm just wondering what other people expect from a Knight and what knights expect from their apprentices?

Do you expect regular contact?
Do you expect to be able to physically see them?

Personally I expect regular contact (at least twice a week) and I would like to be able to physically see them once in a while but I don't require it.

I only expect them to educate me at a pace that they feel comfortable with.

Hi Metsu - you might well agree with my opinion that there's no such thing as a standard 'knight / apprentice' relationship. As far as I can see they're all different

I don't expect anything in particular from my apprenticeship. There has been plenty of learning but often lessons don't come in the form you can predict or expect (from either the perspective of the apprentice or the Knight) - and for me that's what makes an apprenticeship dynamic and most relevant.

Having said that - your expectations don't sound the slightest bit onerous or outrageous. Proteus and I are probably in contact every few days and Skype video calls are great for being able to see each other face to face - even if you happen to live on different continents. Its not always possible to physically meet and I imagine the majority of apprenticeships complete perfectly well without that interaction.

I might even go so far as to say that if the apprenticeship completes in the manner that you expected then it probably hasn't been the most effective apprenticeship

Loudzoo wrote: Hi Metsu - you might well agree with my opinion that there's no such thing as a standard 'knight / apprentice' relationship. As far as I can see they're all different

I don't expect anything in particular from my apprenticeship. There has been plenty of learning but often lessons don't come in the form you can predict or expect (from either the perspective of the apprentice or the Knight) - and for me that's what makes an apprenticeship dynamic and most relevant.

Having said that - your expectations don't sound the slightest bit onerous or outrageous. Proteus and I are probably in contact every few days and Skype video calls are great for being able to see each other face to face - even if you happen to live on different continents. Its not always possible to physically meet and I imagine the majority of apprenticeships complete perfectly well without that interaction.

I might even go so far as to say that if the apprenticeship completes in the manner that you expected then it probably hasn't been the most effective apprenticeship

I agree with you in regards to it going as you would expect, I also agree that there's no standard, my expectations aren't necessarily what I would hold other knights and apprentices to, ultimately my expectation of regular contact is really just something I would prefer rather than adamantly require.

Stuff like that should be ironed out if its a concern, I agree Metsu....

With my duties, sometimes I am out of reach, or just busy for a bit, and don't communicate for some reason...

So, I point out how there are times when my duties (online and off) keep me too busy to deal with "assignments", and I need a bit of "catch up" time to read and understand, as my.mind gets divided sometimes...

Not only styles, and such, but physical expectations as well...

Expectations are a sticky thing. I certainly had the general expectation that I would learn a great deal, that my perspective would be shifted, but I didn't have anything specific in mind. I suppose if I had a specific list of things I wanted to learn, I could just go find out on my own! :laugh:

With regard to the level of contact, that has entirely to do with whom you forge a Master/Apprentice bond. It is entirely possible that I will never see Alexandre Orion standing in front of me. That would be a great shame, but life is funny that way and the Atlantic is wide. Still, we are in regular contact.

At some point, I will have to consider whom I might take on as an Apprentice. Choosing a Master was, for me at least, much easier, much less daunting.

I think the communication and relationship between rider and apprentice relies heavily on each one, I never expected that my relationship with my maîtresse was something so beautiful. For me, being learner, it was something that marked my life. Just do not expect anything from anyone, just do your best and everything will be great

I don't really expect anything except conversation... Goken and I talk... we both get something from it (I hope!).
Sometimes I will be busy, sometimes he will be busy.. but we'll get around to it

Jestor wrote: Stuff like that should be ironed out if its a concern, I agree Metsu....

With my duties, sometimes I am out of reach, or just busy for a bit, and don't communicate for some reason...

So, I point out how there are times when my duties (online and off) keep me too busy to deal with "assignments", and I need a bit of "catch up" time to read and understand, as my.mind gets divided sometimes...

Not only styles, and such, but physical expectations as well...

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For me Expectations are dependent on the determined outcome. Here at the temple the determined outcome, to me, is the participation and interaction of it's members, learning from eachother, and having someone to speak to directly when you have need of communication. I don't expect anything more out of it. Most of the Knights here are way too far for us to meet up in person so asides from getting the next expected assignment and having a few conversations. I don't expect more than that.

I expect to be challenged to grow as a Jedi. My former master, Alan, always pushed me to do things that I weren't always my favorite thing to do but it was helping me understand some things. I don't think the amount of contact or being able to meet a teaching master is nearly as important as being challenged.

I don't ever expect to meet any of my Apprentices, former or otherwise, in person. This isn't to say I wouldn't like to, but just that it isn't an expectation I have.

I allow my Apprentices to take as long as they need to complete their Apprenticeship and most are busy elsewhere in their lives and they don't necessarily spend a lot of time at the Temple anyway so this restricts how often we talk. But I am always there for them if we do ever need to chat about something.

Personally, and I can only say this for me, I want to only have students with whom I can communicate in a physical presence at least once or twice a year. And, if that's the case, generally I can see them more. Ideally, I want my students to live near or with me, to forge a bond that will last lifetimes. Of course, ideal things don't always happen.

I have many students. Some on FB, some unofficially at IJRS, and of course I have my Creed students.

But, my apprentice, should I ever choose to take one on, will live in the same place that I do. And, I will only have one at a time. There are plenty of training masters at various orders who can do distance teaching. I do not like it for my apprentices. I have tried it twice, and both times I feel cold. I am a very kinetic teacher and learner. I want to be able to move their arms into the right stances, moderate their debates, watch as they fail, watch as they succeed. It's just a personal preference. I applaud you all who can be a mentor to somebody who is absent.

It's nice to see all these comments , because I hope to learn something when rider. I believe that everyone has a style and over the conversations things will fall into place until the relationship is comfortable for both sides. Sometimes I'm on the internet without doing anything and Ros ta online in skipe , then I'll go talk to her. In the end, since both are happy , comfortable and learning , it is enough

Because of the independence that this online community enjoys, it seems to me that Initiates and Apprentices should be self-directed as all mine are and were, and so I act with that reality in mind.

Jediism is a discovery of the reality of the Force and so for me there is little I can really teach, so like Jamie stated, I simply ask questions. J.K. Barger and Luthien continue to walk the path that is before them; applying their Jediism in the living of their lives.