The Three Tenets

• Focus
• Knowledge
• Wisdom

When used correctly, the Jedi Tenets allow us to better ourselves and overcome any obstacle. They help us improve the world around us and fulfil our purpose in life as a Jedi.

Wisdom is the sound application of accrued knowledge and experience through patient, good judgment. Knowledge can be acquired by focusing on the task at hand. Focus is the art of pruning the irrelevant and pouring the best of your mind into what you are doing.


''When used correctly'', How to use the three Tenets correctly? If this eventually comes to "pouring the best of your mind;'' Than I have the second question, what is the best of my mind?

I wrote this when I was doing my IP... probably will say about the same as I still think now, it might help.

A sermon from a few weeks ago :

http://www.templeofthejediorder.org/sermons/2108-the-essence-of-wisdom

So the Three tenets form a circle of some influence that affect the other parts of the circle.. Without one the others would not exist?
Thanks for sharing the lesson with me Edan


Secondly: to Benjamin-Alexandre about '' The essence of wisdom ''

Benjamin-Alexandre : ,,Please keep in mind that I know absolutely nothing about it. As it were, it is directly from the heart of foolishness that I write a Sermon on Wisdom … ''

I belief that foolishness is the greatest form of wisdom you can ever find. And knowing nothing is still something

I am only an apprentice, but...

Those are wonderful questions, Aqua. Worth exploring.

I could write for quite a while on what I see as 'correct use'. I might give examples...then counter-examples to contradict and caveat...but I'm not sure that would be of much use to you. My experiences do and will differ greatly from yours, and that will change the meaning of the word 'correct' for you. As it should be.

Any language you can name has its limitations. Language is not only how we describe the world around us - it is how we see the world. In the west we fall in love with the precision of the constructs created by our languages because they allow us to simplify, define, and ultimately understand the world better. (Wow, that's a mouthful. Sorry.) But often as not we fall victim to these constructs and limit ourselves by them.

I bring this up because, yes, words mean things - but try not to get too wrapped up in them. Words like 'correct', 'focus', and 'wisdom' are really subjective and can create a lot of turmoil if we try too hard to limit and define them. I say all that, but again this is absolutely worth exploring and you seem like the type of person who will do it in the right way. Friends and colleagues are wonderful sounding boards, but ultimately we provide our own best answers. Best of luck, and if you need a sounding board, I'm here.

Reacher wrote: I am only an apprentice, but...

Those are wonderful questions, Aqua. Worth exploring.

I could write for quite a while on what I see as 'correct use'. I might give examples...then counter-examples to contradict and caveat...but I'm not sure that would be of much use to you. My experiences do and will differ greatly from yours, and that will change the meaning of the word 'correct' for you. As it should be.

Any language you can name has its limitations. Language is not only how we describe the world around us - it is how we see the world. In the west we fall in love with the precision of the constructs created by our languages because they allow us to simplify, define, and ultimately understand the world better. (Wow, that's a mouthful. Sorry.) But often as not we fall victim to these constructs and limit ourselves by them.

I bring this up because, yes, words mean things - but try not to get too wrapped up in them. Words like 'correct', 'focus', and 'wisdom' are really subjective and can create a lot of turmoil if we try too hard to limit and define them. I say all that, but again this is absolutely worth exploring and you seem like the type of person who will do it in the right way. Friends and colleagues are wonderful sounding boards, but ultimately we provide our own best answers. Best of luck, and if you need a sounding board, I'm here.

''Ultimately we provide our own best answers'' A phrase that answers multiple live questions.. Beautiful way of speaking, the post of you gives it some kind of double meaning. I think that you have figured it yourself through, I like to talk with phrases that gives multiple results.
''Only an apprentice'' Every master starts as an apprentice, and becomes his own apprentice. Please, do not feel that you are less, ''it are only words'', and that is an translation of one of your own phrases Also, I am happy you like the question.

Worth exploring, and worth to try understanding in our own way..

''Ultimately we provide our own best answers'' A phrase that answers multiple live questions.. Beautiful, how you speak about language as well:,,Language is not only how we describe the world around us - it is how we see the world'' Here I found a double meaning, a second message.

We describe the world around us | but we can not describe color.. only compare with something else.
it is how we see the world | We see the world, but we can not describe it, we describe the world in a way we can not see. That gives my that mythological seeing and the we describe it different than we see it.. I guess I think to much about all those questions. :laugh:

Thanks for your sharing your way of seeing this, it gives me a better picture of my own look.

Aqua wrote: I belief [sic] that foolishness is the greatest form of wisdom you can ever find.

Oxford Dictionaries wrote: foolish

adjective
Lacking good sense or judgement; unwise:

:silly:

Gisteron wrote:

Aqua wrote: I belief [sic] that foolishness is the greatest form of wisdom you can ever find.

Oxford Dictionaries wrote: foolish

adjective
Lacking good sense or judgement; unwise:

:silly:

Now, I give you this question, be prepared because this will be the long version.

Lacking good sense of judgement.. What is good, how do you translate good, more important how do you translate a sense? How do you know jour judgement is thoughtful? What makes it unwise to be a fool

Wisdom could be transferred as the appropriate action under all conditions of live, knowing there are many ways to explain, explain wisdom for example. Now what is an appropriate action?
Lets say that the appropriate action of this post is If I put all the questions in one question:

What is a thoughtful judgement that makes an unwise to considered a fool under all appropriate conditions of lives action?

I could say: how to separate a wise man from a fool without knowledge? How to understand the knowledge without wisdom?

I could say: A fool that knows that he is a fool, is more wise than a fool who thinks he is wise
- Siddhartha Gautama ca. 450 vC. - ca .370 vC

Does this mean a fool can not be a wise individual? And if I ask how do we learn without making an foolish mistake, could you answer that? A fool is not expected to ''know better'' or to ''know'' anything, because of this, the fool has often been given great freedom in many ways. Freedom of thinking is the first stap of self awareness if you ask me.. self awareness is one way to discover wisdom in yourself.

Believe whatever you wish to believe, this is just one path, one question :side:


Lacking good sense of judgement.. unwise.. I wonder who wrote that part of the book ^^

~Bart

A fool that knows that he is a fool, is more wise than a fool who thinks he is wise
- Siddhartha Gautama ca. 450 vC. - ca .370 vC

"Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?"

Couldn't help it.

My point was not to define what is foolish or wise on a practical level. I could try if I needed to, but that wasn't the case I was making.
You said that (you believed that) foolishness is the greatest form of wisdom. I just pointed out that whatever foolishness and wisdom end up being defined as ultimately, they are already contradictory, at least according to one reasonably respected dictionary. I also looked it up at others and in order to make that case there I'd have to quote several entries rather than one, but it would end up the same.

Now, of course it doesn't say that foolishness and wisdom are mutually exclusive. One can be both at different times or with different matters, just like a zebra is both black and white depending which isolated spot you examine, and to an alien race that knows only that the zebra is striped, I wouldn't have to define what I mean by black and white individually. The point is, that a zebra isn't both black and white in the same spot. Its blackness isn't a form of its whiteness, much less the greatest form thereof. In the same way foolishness is not a form of wisdom, though both may be represented in any one individual.

It might be the case that someone is behaving in a ridiculous manner, doing what they think is fun, messing around and not taking things so seriously. That person we might colloquially call a "fool", but in fact so long as they were aware of what they were doing and the reason for it then really they might be a lot wiser than some...

Things might be better off in the world if people took less stuff seriously, it is foolishness masquerading as wisdom rather than wisdom masquerading as foolishness.

Akkarin wrote: It might be the case that someone is behaving in a ridiculous manner, doing what they think is fun, messing around and not taking things so seriously. That person we might colloquially call a "fool", but in fact so long as they were aware of what they were doing and the reason for it then really they might be a lot wiser than some...

Things might be better off in the world if people took less stuff seriously, it is foolishness masquerading as wisdom rather than wisdom masquerading as foolishness.

Along those lines, this Willy Wonka quote struck me the moment I heard it:

"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men."

Gisteron wrote: My point was not to define what is foolish or wise on a practical level. I could try if I needed to, but that wasn't the case I was making.
You said that (you believed that) foolishness is the greatest form of wisdom. I just pointed out that whatever foolishness and wisdom end up being defined as ultimately, they are already contradictory, at least according to one reasonably respected dictionary. I also looked it up at others and in order to make that case there I'd have to quote several entries rather than one, but it would end up the same.

Now, of course it doesn't say that foolishness and wisdom are mutually exclusive. One can be both at different times or with different matters, just like a zebra is both black and white depending which isolated spot you examine, and to an alien race that knows only that the zebra is striped, I wouldn't have to define what I mean by black and white individually. The point is, that a zebra isn't both black and white in the same spot. Its blackness isn't a form of its whiteness, much less the greatest form thereof. In the same way foolishness is not a form of wisdom, though both may be represented in any one individual.

I guess I make riddles, let me quote myself, just for the irony of myself :whistle:

You told me:
Akkarin wrote:,,If foolishness is not a form of wisdom''

I told you:
Aqua wrote:,,Does this mean a fool can not be a wise individual?''
With this sense gives my opinion, a fool can be a wise individual to.

You were talking about the Zebra story, ,,In the same way foolishness is not a form of wisdom, though both may be represented in any one individual.'' An unexpected sense, I love to see that your creative thinking gives me a hard minding about the question.. It is pushing me to seek answers on it, first I would like to say that foolishness is a form of wisdom, so wisdom is a form of foolishness.
I would give you the question:


,,How can you tell me that wisdom is not an form of foolishness?'' If everybody gives an other explanation of wisdom, could it be that there are multiple ways of answering the question, with all the correct answers?

In the Dutch language we have the proverb :,, End well, all well '' witch could be translated as if the end is good, than everything would end good and happy.

I guess this is the end of my answer to your counter question for me, multiple answers, and a very lovely story about the Zebra, I had never thought to talking about Zebras in this post, wonderful! And you have a good ability to explain your meaning, the fact that you uses Zebra`s makes it even more interesting, more enjoyable to philosophise about the subject

To end my post with an open end for the topic, as well in the same theme of this post..

-Tells the story of the three tenets an second truth?-

Wisdom vs foolishness here sounds like a duality. These contemplations can easily go in endless circles because of their mutually arising nature in our perception between them. We can only know wisdom in light of foolishness, while only knowing foolishness in the light of wisdom. Both are a form of the whole in which they are carved from when our perception divides them apart.

Proteus wrote: Wisdom vs foolishness here sounds like a duality. These contemplations can easily go in endless circles because of their mutually arising nature in our perception between them. We can only know wisdom in light of foolishness, while only knowing foolishness in the light of wisdom. Both are a form of the whole in which they are carved from when our perception divides them apart.

How can there be duality if wisdom and foolishness are part of one zebra? Mmm.. I start to like the zebra? :woohoo: I would see it like an opposite that is in harmony with the other opposite, duality sounds so aggressive why else would the force bind us in harmony :blush:

Aqua wrote:

Proteus wrote: Wisdom vs foolishness here sounds like a duality. These contemplations can easily go in endless circles because of their mutually arising nature in our perception between them. We can only know wisdom in light of foolishness, while only knowing foolishness in the light of wisdom. Both are a form of the whole in which they are carved from when our perception divides them apart.

How can there be duality if wisdom and foolishness are part of one zebra? Mmm.. I start to like the zebra? :woohoo: I would see it like an opposite that is in harmony with the other opposite, duality sounds so aggressive why else would the force bind us in harmony :blush:

Wisdom and foolishness are ends of a spectrum.. they are a dual in the sense that one is the opposite of the other, but in reality there is rarely either extreme. Without one, we cannot know the other.

Coincidentia oppositorum, whereby the contrary is a necessary condition for the occurrence of one and/or the other.

Aqua wrote: • Focus
• Knowledge
• Wisdom

When used correctly, the Jedi Tenets allow us to better ourselves and overcome any obstacle. They help us improve the world around us and fulfil our purpose in life as a Jedi.

Wisdom is the sound application of accrued knowledge and experience through patient, good judgment. Knowledge can be acquired by focusing on the task at hand. Focus is the art of pruning the irrelevant and pouring the best of your mind into what you are doing.


''When used correctly'', How to use the three Tenets correctly? If this eventually comes to "pouring the best of your mind;'' Than I have the second question, what is the best of my mind?

You know it's used correctly when it betters you and makes you overcome any obstacle. Used incorrectly when you do not reach those goals.
And the best of your mind is that which leads you to focus as opposed to procrastination.

ren wrote:

Aqua wrote: • Focus
• Knowledge
• Wisdom

When used correctly, the Jedi Tenets allow us to better ourselves and overcome any obstacle. They help us improve the world around us and fulfil our purpose in life as a Jedi.

Wisdom is the sound application of accrued knowledge and experience through patient, good judgment. Knowledge can be acquired by focusing on the task at hand. Focus is the art of pruning the irrelevant and pouring the best of your mind into what you are doing.


''When used correctly'', How to use the three Tenets correctly? If this eventually comes to "pouring the best of your mind;'' Than I have the second question, what is the best of my mind?

You know it's used correctly when it betters you and makes you overcome any obstacle. Used incorrectly when you do not reach those goals.
And the best of your mind is that which leads you to focus as opposed to procrastination.

A small reminder of the beautiful text message of the IP of Edan:

Edan wrote: Without knowledge one has nothing to focus one, so alone focus has no real application other than quieting the mind; focus requires wisdom in order to know what one should focus on and how to achieve focus.
Knowledge is good to have, but without focus one cannot learn to filter out what is important and what is not, and without wisdom one doesn’t have the ability to use or apply knowledge and so knowledge accumulates without purpose.
Lastly, wisdom can only come through an accumulation of relevant knowledge and experience, which is found through focus.
When a person lacks one of the three, the triangle is broken and none can be used to its full advantage.
Without wisdom, knowledge may accumulate but it will never be used adequately. Without focus one may learn many things but never perhaps what is needed, or never enough of what is needed. Lastly, without knowledge one is unable to use wisdom to make good decisions.

Ren:,,And the best of your mind is that which leads you to focus as opposed to procrastination.'' Why is a mind with focus the best, if I need a complete circle according to the three Tenets.. Understanding needs time, and sometimes haste.. opposed procrastination could bring your mind in unbalance.. :blush:

Aqua wrote: Ren:,,And the best of your mind is that which leads you to focus as opposed to procrastination.'' Why is a mind with focus the best, if I need a complete circle according to the three Tenets.. Understanding needs time, and sometimes haste.. opposed procrastination could bring your mind in unbalance.. :blush:

It will all be unbalanced in the beginning as you figure things out for yourself, but without some focus you won't find a way to build up knowledge or wisdom. If you are always procrastinating, you are never moving forwards.