The Force

Have you ever read about sleep paralysis? Some of the things you're talking about sound like that. A lot of people report shocking and tingling sensations and the inability to move their limbs. I've experienced sleep paralysis while lying down in my bed at night meditating, it was kind of like what you described.

TheDude beat me to the punch LOL

Hello Flint2020, I hope you are great today

You mentioned some unpleasant sensations and perceptions, but maybe you reframed them as an experience of connection with the Force.
And at the end you mentioned that it was a pretty cool experience. Then: congratulations on your findings and that your experiments lead you to valuable learnings for your internal harmony and with others.

My experiences with the force, are the result of connecting with my own spirituality in the style of this season of my life, swimming, martial arts, meditating silently in nature, making music ... Hugging people who I care...
And many times I enter in a flow-state, when I investigate interesting topics about the special biochemistry of the body when these transcendental states are perceived. Maybe you would like to review the tv-serie: Rewired.

As you saw, some posts are for discussion and others are just for sharing individual experiences, as you just did.

Keep practicing and enjoying

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I dont think it was any of those things. You'd have to combine all 3 to get close to everything. Sleep paralysis people usually experience great fear or see hallucinations which i didnt experience at all. But it could certaintly be related in some way.

I also dont considerate it super natural. I dont think of what one could call a force or the force as a supernatural force or entity. Im working from the Nikola Tesla type of perspective. When he said he could provide the whole world with free wireless energy and could lite light bulbs without wires connected to them. Things exist and move inside the aether. Sound alters the air, things alter water, and light is the altering of the aether. If Tesla and others that didnt agree with einstein are correct we have this aether around. Some type of energy or something that light and electricity stem from. So if that's what's causing it then it's as natural as everything else.

If i suddenly get abducted by aliens we can go with a sleep paralysis theory lol.

The dude. "Kinda like" as in what? Details please.

Flint2020 wrote: Im working from the Nikola Tesla type of perspective. When he said he could provide the whole world with free wireless energy and could lite light bulbs without wires connected to them. (emphasis added)

Whoa, let's back up a little. I may not have all the veneration for Tesla that he may enjoy from some of our contemporary friends of pseudo-science these days, but to say that he promised free energy - wireless or otherwise - I still find would be somewhat a disservice to one so talented electrical engineer as Tesla. That being said, I only object out of my own incredulity that a man so bright and well educated as him would say something that'd have been considered so silly in his day. If you happen to have a credible citation of him saying anything of the sort, by all means, I'm all ears.

Things exist and move inside the aether. Sound alters the air, things alter water, and light is the altering of the aether. If Tesla and others that didnt agree with einstein are correct we have this aether around. Some type of energy or something that light and electricity stem from.

It's not a matter of agreeing with Einstein or Tesla, as it is a matter of agreeing with experimental results. Relativity did not survive the test of time because it just happened to be more fashionable nor because more money was thrown at it, or not enough noble rebels stood up to it. It survived because on top of never coming into conflict with experimental data, it kept making non-trivial predictions that kept getting confirmed by said data to staggering precision. Meanwhile theories of a luminiferous aether only ever sounded plausible based on an argument from analogy (as seen above) and an incredulity of the contrary, i.e. never based on any actual observation to begin with, and also kept failing every meaningful test one would construct for it.

I would be careful as well with the wording for that analogy. What you mean by sound is indeed movement of pressure waves through a medium. It doesn't have to be air, it doesn't even have to be fluid, but even if we were to build a quantum theory of sound (and, just for the record, yes, that does exist, especially for solids), we would end up with quasi-particles only for sound carriers. To say that a volume of air is "altered" after a sound passed through it is difficult unless one is very clear about what one means by that. Even something as a minute rise in temperature may in some sense be an indication that the sound did not completely pass through the volume under consideration.
For water the expression is dangerously close to the sort of premise you'd fine homoeopaths use to sell ampules of overpriced placebo drops. Sound waves do to water about as little as they do to air, and solving other substances in water of course mostly affects the molecules forming the hydrate layers whilst leaving the rest of the water unaffected. Surely none of the water molecules remember anything about the solution once the water has been cleansed of the solute.
As for light, it is carried by light particles, and unlike sound quanta, photons are rather quite real particles that can be detected individually and have consistent properties (especially mass and speed) between all observers. In fact, one of the earliest conclusive indications of the quantization of light is what earned Einstein his 1921 Nobel Prize, not relativity. Indeed, the necessity of special relativity came up in part because of Michelson's and Morley's 1887 experiment (and later up to modern confirmations with ever increasing sensitivity) clearly disproving the presence of a luminiferous aether.

Light and electricity do indeed "stem from" something, namely charge. Electrical current is the movement of charge, and light is the transmission of forces charges exert on each other. We can argue that in the language of quantum field theories it all comes down to electron, positron, quark, and photon fields at the end of the day, but these are nothing like the aether physicists or engineers from one and a half century ago would have envisioned, nor are they springs from whence electromagnetic energy flows into the universe, ready for our use. The first and second laws of thermodynamics are cornerstones of classical physics that neither Einstein nor Tesla would much have argued about.
By all means, what ever you experienced would surely have been natural one way or another. There is no need to dispose of much of what we know about how nature works, though, to come up with some plausible speculations as to what it was that had you feel as you did.

As has been stated everyone has different experiences and feelings about what the force is. Personally I think it's just a series of chemical releases in our brain that connect us to nature in a way I can't explain.

I will say I had a somewhat similar experience in 2 ways.

First, was when I got sober. Now, people I know from the community of recovering addicts believe it's being touched by God. Now, again personally I look at it like this. For a long time I had repressed certain chemicals in the brain to the point it was not producing enough of them naturally. Well, when it comes back it hits hard, causes all kinda crazy stuff. That's a feeling I occasionally meditate on because it felt like a release of sorts.

The second, I was at a concert, sober oddly (I had to drive). Well I was vibbing with a certain song that had a very upbeat feeling it was a 7min song by a small progressive rock band. About 5 mins in or so I could have sworn I saw the lines of "vibes" running between people like bright electric lines running across the floor, pulsing to the bass of the song. In that moment everything kinda faded out but that and it came down gradually as the song ended. I meditate on that feeling too. I have done LSD and never had a trip as dramatic.

Both can be explained biologically. We can probably even have predicted the timing of the first one through proper toxicology tracking. Now, that doesn't mean I understand how the brain got to the point it did, why it developed these feelings, how it makes them work and whether timing is relevant. In the end it literally is just a part of an experience I had that's part of a whole I don't understand. I don't define the force tightly enough to even tell you what it fully is. Because it is the full and I sure don't have the capacity to see it from where I am at.

Just 2 cents,
Much Love,
Kobos

I would disagree about relativity. It has no experimental backing. The whole point of it is that everything is relative, therefore you cant detect the motion of the earth or the sun. Since it's relative you cant tell which one is moving. It's why they cant explain light, they say it's a particle but all Particles and physical things move through a medium. But they believed space was a vacuum. So if it's a vacuum with no medium there's no explanation what light is traveling through from trillions of miles away. Einstein never invented anything it's all theory. It's like the people of today making up dark matter and dark energy, their models dont make sense so they make stuff up to try to explain how stuff they dont understand works. I just find Einstein's theories to be flawed. I dont have the quote in front of me but tesla said he could light a ring of light around the entire world. And we all know about the tower he wanted to build to distribute wireless energy or electricity but the bankers stopped funding him so he couldn't build it.

Flint2020 wrote: I would disagree about relativity. It has no experimental backing. The whole point of it is that everything is relative, therefore you cant detect the motion of the earth or the sun. Since it's relative you cant tell which one is moving. It's why they cant explain light, they say it's a particle but all Particles and physical things move through a medium. But they believed space was a vacuum. So if it's a vacuum with no medium there's no explanation what light is traveling through from trillions of miles away. Einstein never invented anything it's all theory. It's like the people of today making up dark matter and dark energy, their models dont make sense so they make stuff up to try to explain how stuff they dont understand works. I just find Einstein's theories to be flawed. I dont have the quote in front of me but tesla said he could light a ring of light around the entire world. And we all know about the tower he wanted to build to distribute wireless energy or electricity but the bankers stopped funding him so he couldn't build it.

I'm not sure you can use something Tesla said he could do but never did as an explanation as to why you believe something, but then dismiss scientists who have evidence of things like dark matter. Things are not made up, they are theories to explain, which may change but are close fits at the time. Why should your opinion have more sway than Einstein's? What knowledge and study have you done to disprove his theories?

The problem with theories and opinions is a lot of people take them as fact Einstien's theories are just that, as you say, theories which means they could be entirely correct but they could also be wrong meaning that if you base things purely off theories, your foundation for your beliefs could be entirely wrong which is something religion as a whole is flawed for in my opinion. Without solid proof of something you don't know if it exists or not, it is entirely a belief which we all know. Whatever you believe is absolutely fine however problems will come about when you dismiss another point of view or belief because you don't agree/ believe in it. I do think the talk of Tesla and what not has kind of sidetracked the thread from what you originally posted about.