The Force powers as we know them

forceuser wrote: Some people believe so strongly in their laws and facts when really they're just theories and beliefs Pushed on them.

Yea, try and keep that in mind next time you trust the "just theories and beliefs pushed on them" of thermodynamics that make your car engine not a useless hunk of metal. Keep that in mind on new year's eve when you see all the colourful fireworks produced by exploiting the "just theories and beliefs pushed on them" of chemistry. Most of all keep it in mind every time you come here to tell us about the virtues of pseudo-open-mindedness by using an electronic device built from semiconductors understood through the quantum "just theories and beliefs pushed on them" of solids.

Open your mind to woo, then close it to reality, and then pretend it's those who won't follow down that path that are the unreasonable, the closed-minded, the blind ones.

forceuser wrote: Some people believe so strongly in their laws and facts when really they're just theories and beliefs....

The process of investigating and validating claims is much more well developed and reliable in the world of academics than it is in the world of psychics and reiki masters. The absurdity of you claiming that the “science side” is the one that denies reality by clinging to their shallow “laws and facts when really theyre just theories and beliefs” does not come across as an impressive argument against science, but as an unintended admission of your complete ignorance about it.

There is a whole nother world and power that these people in the fish tank will never know.

I dont know if you know this but “nother” is not a word. It may be that you were speaking informally and/or it may be that english is not your first language. Having grown up in the Southern United States, ive heard “whole nother world” used before, particularly by poorly educated, white people. Im not picking on white people, here; poorly educated black people also butcher the english language, they just do it in different ways. The important thing is this; if youre trying to convince me that you understand he fundamental elements of reality and the human psyche better than i do, youre not helping your case by making me suspect that you cant even ****** talk. LOL
Its just another hint that you are ignorant/unaware of some very basic and very important things that adults who take their own intellectual development seriously will do their best to understand.

Not that there's anything that will help your case at this point. Youve claimed to have repeatedly done things which i am confident that you have not done. Magical things which defy the laws of nature. Either you truly believe you have done these things, or you know that you havent. In the event of the first,i wont bother trying to convince you to see a doctor about your hallucinations because i know you wont listen, but i will tell you that you're experiencing hallucinations and should see a doctor. A psychiatrist, in particular.
In the second case, im going to be charitable and guess that you justify the falsehood because you really believe these things are possible. You think someone is doing them, so its OK for you to “stick up for them” by claiming to have done them, yourself. Probably you even believe that you will eventually do them, so what difference does it really make if you say it, now?

It makes a difference. People who understand that we have to build our lives on what it TRUE will respect the truth and speak the truth, even when they wish the truth were different.

You've got me there my English is terrible even my mother had a hard time understanding me. In my college days I had a professor tell me I needed to take English as a second language.
Since most of you seem like you're on the road to becoming a jedi or self aware.
I had a man tell me" you have 2 ears and one mouth you're supposed to listen twice as much as you speak. " and of course by now you can tell I'm old school my mother always told us if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything.
Your words trouble me because they don't have compassion understanding or even the Desire to learn from others.
My grandfather taught me your word is your bond.
I try not to exaggerate or embellish .
I'm going to tell you a little about myself not to brag just to show you I'm not a kid who needs
To feel important while telling the world they're wrong.
I have received diplomas and certificates in automotive mechanics, I've been in the military, repelled and jumped out of planes something I thought was important at the time. I don't know how I graduated the sheriff's Academy when I could barely spell Write a report, they must have felt sorry for me. I received a general contractor's license and also a realestate license. I have built hundreds and hundreds of homes and personally bought Around a 100.
I don't need your approval. Like you my whole life I was trained to believe the force and its use was impossible and things movies were made of. Not trying to convince you . My only proof would be A doctor who travels the world preaching ,and an a handful or so of eyewitnesses. I know that's not scientific proof.
All I can say is all those things you've seen the jedi do In a fictional movie . Plus more can and have been done in Real life.
May you all be with the force.

So seeing as you don't need whomever's approval, the reason you are telling them how you're just better than them (or great, at any rate) in so many ways and particularly not a self-absorbed and/or insecure child is... just incidental. No intention to brag at all, none to condescend... Fair enough.

Still doesn't make fantasy real, sorry, no matter how hard you "all I can say". Which, if we're being frank here... isn't even a lot, all things considered. Imagine how much nonsense one could spout on a long enough day, were one to entirely abandon any commitments to honesty...

Data is like a currency, it only has measures of effect depending on the mechanics of its market. Some practices have real capabilities in the subjective realm and not in the objective. So long as they don't cause degradation in other systems I think its good to explore.

Adder wrote: Data is like a currency, it only has measures of effect depending on the mechanics of its market. Some practices have real capabilities in the subjective realm and not in the objective. So long as they don't cause degradation in other systems I think its good to explore.

I would caution against randomly exploring, because there is some risk of potential degradation. One of the reasons that I assume many religious esoteric practices demand a "close relationship with God", "purity", etc., is that there is a risk of psychological damage from pursuing esoteric practices. I have seen people develop various forms of pathology from attempting these "arts".

The most likely reason for self-harm has to do with the amount of mental resources devoted to reinforcing the pursuit of a fruitless pursuit. You don't get to "think" that much on something without it taking a hold of your mind in weird ways.

Even if you want to look at it from a esoteric point of view... if these "powers" are real, there is absolutely no reason to conclude they self-regulate or include some sort of feature that shuts them off whenever they are misdirected. If there is a good use for "energy manipulation", it is just as probable that there is a way to misuse it, damaging yourself and others along the way.

Did you know that throughout ww2 and the cold war the united States government and other countries as well used remote viewing aka psychic powers , people who astral projection , psychics and people who have so call visions of the future or what we like to call force visions ? And during this period of time a great deal of scientific evidence that prove in these powers where actually researched . The people who was actually legit had a very high success rate in their predictions and details like who was a hidden spy , where at was a secret compound and even nuclear launch codes ? There is evidence if you look . And as for energy healing in a couple studies some still continuing Today have had high success rates . Most of this information can be found on documents declassified by the CIA and FBI , feel free to go on there websites and look them up ! Ya wanted proof , just go on the CIA gov website and see for yourself . But the people here and there accounts on the matter is a different point it's there own personal experience so who knows ?

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Adder wrote: Data is like a currency, it only has measures of effect depending on the mechanics of its market. Some practices have real capabilities in the subjective realm and not in the objective. So long as they don't cause degradation in other systems I think its good to explore.

I would caution against randomly exploring, because there is some risk of potential degradation.....

I agree there is a real risk. Its much easier to make a mess of something then a success of it. Mistakes hold valuable learnings usually, but sometimes the cost of the lesson is both unforeseen and too expensive. I think that is where the art comes into it, much like physical arts it is the ability to both train effectively 'and' not get injured doing so that makes a performer.

Malicious wrote: Did you know that throughout ww2 and the cold war the united States government and other countries as well used remote viewing aka psychic powers , people who astral projection , psychics and people who have so call visions of the future or what we like to call force visions ? And during this period of time a great deal of scientific evidence that prove in these powers where actually researched . The people who was actually legit had a very high success rate in their predictions and details like who was a hidden spy , where at was a secret compound and even nuclear launch codes ? There is evidence if you look . And as for energy healing in a couple studies some still continuing Today have had high success rates . Most of this information can be found on documents declassified by the CIA and FBI , feel free to go on there websites and look them up ! Ya wanted proof , just go on the CIA gov website and see for yourself . But the people here and there accounts on the matter is a different point it's there own personal experience so who knows ?

Didnt they conclude its too hard to control its operation? Certainly in my decades long exploring it I was able to do enough to think its possible but also that it's either very difficult or impossible to control. I was left having to consider the mechanics of its apparant function being not wholly within the users control (and what that might mean)

Adder it is true for people that hasn't had years of training and experience it is hard to control and for some it is almost out of control for them but if you have a great deal of experience then you can control it easier but it does weigh on you mentally .