Sith Realist Resources

At least four of us. That's fantastic!

When I'm out of class later I'll respond with my own thoughts.

I wouldn't mind reading up, different perspectives and takes on the things we study should be encouraged!

We should start with the Sith Code. What are your thoughts on this? Try and come up with some initial thoughts. Then, once you have an idea about how you make sense of this, read Khaos's article "A Practice Sith Code" reproduced below:


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I myself feel no interest or need in learning the ways of Sithism in particular; acknowledgement of myown dark-side and striving for personal Balance within the Force is enough for me.

BUT-

I can see the value of having such information available; after all, doesn't our own mythology itself teach that ignorance of The Dark Side of the Force created more problems than it solved? By hiding away certain sets of information, and "sanitizing" their teachings, The Jedi of Lore, at the height of their power, grew complacent, but more importantly, ignorant of how to deal with any genuine threats that arose from The Dark Side, not to mention lacking in any way to recognize it's temptations, and thus when one is going down a dangerous path.

While I don't personally see any appeal in Sithism based on what I see in this and another thread, I can see, without judgement, why some might. It might even do some good, within the Temple here, to make such information available (though I wouldn't support actual teaching structures- We have forums for other faith/path discussion, and I think that's enough).

Connor L. wrote: We should start with the Sith Code. What are your thoughts on this?

To me it's just a mantra, which could be said to be a form of yoga - where any meaning is what is given to it, and how its used. If there is no spiritual application then you wouldn't use it like a mantra.... and instead perhaps might view it as some guiding principle, but then in that case I would only use such a thing with knowledge of it as such and only when it was useful to be employed. In that latter application there might even be more then one useful interpretation perhaps!!

My initial thoughts.
Okay, peace is a lie, well life isnt peaceful, its chaotic, crazy, maddening, wild and wonderful. You can make moments of peace and quiet, but its more an interlude, a way of recharging your batterys, gaining time to think, wonder, learn and deal. So while you can have peace, its not what life is. I won't say there was only passion, although it drives us to become more, achieve more, build. And in a way life is passion, the magic of things is peace could be a part of passion.
I guess through following our passions, we grow stronger, physically, mentally, sometimes spiritually, we build ourselves up in order to help ourselves to achieve or keep achieving our passions.
Through the strength we find within ourselves and develop we gain mastery over ourselves and could excel in life, bringing not only personal power as such but growing in life and knowledge could bring power in life, for example you could get a better job, be seen as a driven individual with the wisdom and intelligence to go further. Start your own buisness, if thats your passion or gain control over your own affairs.
You gain, and doing so have personal and wider victorys.
The last line the force shall set me free..
Well I think we set ourselves free, so the force is us. In us.
I am the force lol..

Peace is a lie, there is only passion

Peace exists, it is not a lie. There is not 'only passion' as at least one other thing exists, peace.

Through passion, I gain strength.

Or do dumb dumb things that weaken you

Through strength, I gain power.

Or do things other than the acquisition of power. You could munch on steroids all day with the only outcome being a long prison sentence. Not exactly a position of power.

Through power, I gain victory.

Or not. the one thing all powerful people have in common is they eventually lose it.

Through victory, my chains are broken.

What chains? The one you just put on your feet with all that passion? Or the one on that poor bloke's bike you just knicked?

The Force shall set me free.

You were part of the Force and free to begin with. You may as well avoid this designed-for-a-videogame code.

Fair assessment. Do you have a similar dismissive opinion of the Jedi codes?

No.

I prefer the short version over the long. The ideas of the Jedi codes are contrasts, can knowledge be quantified without ignorance? Could we identify peace without emotion? etc. Not meaningless blanket statements.

You do realise this is a Jedi church, right? It's not the best place to ask this sort of questions, just like christian churches are not the best place to ask members if they have as many dismissive opinions of Jesus as they have of Satan. Maybe try some sith churches? I don't know if there are any but you could always give google a shot.

ren wrote: You do realise this is a Jedi church, right? It's not the best place to ask this sort of questions, just like christian churches are not the best place to ask members if they have as many dismissive opinions of Jesus as they have of Satan. Maybe try some sith churches? I don't know if there are any but you could always give google a shot.

This type of dismissive replies is one of the reasons Christianity is losing adepts. When someone pops up with a genuine question, and gets answered with a coherent, genuine cross examination, curiosity is satisfied and truths are seen as evident due to a triumph of logic and understanding. On the other hand, when walls are put up or blanket statements issued to cement tribalism rather than engage in conversation, the original question remains unaddressed, and a schism is born.

You are free to consider the Sith code rubbish, it very well could be. However, I find it ironic that, for someone who supports the Jedi code, you would issue a response that comes across as emotional (rather than peaceful) and ignorant (rather than knowledgable).