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30 Nov 2014 13:53 #172017 by Edan

Tarran wrote: Would that be the same Lilith from the Talmud? The supposed first wife of Adam, exiled from the Garden of Eden for being too sexually domineering, and bearing hundreds of children per day? Iiiiiiinteresting... :D


You laugh but I know someone who has an altar to Lilith, as I bought him the statue that's on it.

Lilith was supposed to have many children with Sammael, after she left Eden.

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30 Nov 2014 14:37 #172020 by Zenchi
Lilith has a strong influence in Luciferianism, which I myself have followed for quite a few years now. We don't know if he's referring to Lilith or not, many pagans have a generalized idea of the Goddess and refer to her as such, let's not jump to conclusions and be mindful of our replies...

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30 Nov 2014 15:14 #172028 by
Way off track. No im not talking about lillith. Santa Muerte is the lady I am referring to.

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30 Nov 2014 15:24 #172029 by Zenchi
They missed the mark because your desription was vague and generalized, stating that from the beginning would have cleared up a lot of things...

I see nothing in Jediism that would pose a problem in regards to your beliefs...

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30 Nov 2014 15:25 #172030 by
Ah my apologies. I was half asleep. Thank you.

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30 Nov 2014 15:31 #172031 by Proteus

Nuestra Señora de la Santa Muerte or, colloquially, Santa Muerte (Spanish for Our Lady of the Holy Death), is a female folk saint venerated primarily in Mexico and the Southwestern United States. A personification of death, she is associated with healing, protection, and safe delivery to the afterlife by her devotees.
Santa Muerte - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Is this the Angel of Death, essentially?

If so, do you have a way to reconcile the line
"There is no death; there is the Force"?

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30 Nov 2014 15:35 #172032 by
It depends on how you see her. A lot of people associate her with death. I don't see her that way.

And yeah I could say that easily.

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30 Nov 2014 16:08 - 30 Nov 2014 16:11 #172035 by steamboat28

Proteus wrote: Is this the Angel of Death, essentially?


Not exactly. An "angel of death" is typically a psychopomp, and while many personifications of death are also psychopomps (like the Reaper), and angel of death does not, necessarily, have to be an incarnation or personification of death to accomplish their job.

Santa Muerte, as I understand her, is a personification more similar to the Death card of the Tarot than to our typical conception of a psychopomp such as the Reaper. She comes from Mesoamerican belief systems that predate the Catholicism that was forced on many of those regions, and in current form is arguably syncretic (arguably because, like many of the lwa, one could see Santa Muerte not as a combination of saint and deity, but as deity-masked-as-saint, so her worship could continue under the noses of Catholics).

I know she's revered by many adherents of brujeria, and has been readily adopted by at least some adherents to santeria and vodou as well.

Also, the line "There is no Death, only the Force" can't be taken in a literal fashion, because it would deny the reality of the demise of our physical bodies, something that still troubles a great many people, Jedi included. It is through worship of these avatars of the beyond, such as Santa Muerte, that many come to terms with their fear of death, and are thereby able to live fuller, happier lives instead of dreading their ultimate exit from the stage of life.
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30 Nov 2014 16:09 - 30 Nov 2014 16:09 #172036 by Zenchi
Remember, not everyone here follows that version of the code, hence the newer edit...

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Passion, yet serenity.
Chaos, yet harmony.
Death, yet the Force."

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30 Nov 2014 16:12 #172037 by
She has a bad reputation due to certain individuals. But she is legit. I think I'll stick around. I am interested.

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