A question about oaths and privacy

Whether private or not we do need your real name and date of birth as with any legal organisation. We cannot come up with Obi Wan kenobi born on the 50th January 3010, for official records. What Br. John mentioned is an exception and not a rule. If the case is accepted (by the Council) then the Oath should be sent per PM for records. TOTJO also has to protect itself against the dangers of internet (spamers, criminal missuse, pedophiles etc.) and especiall if we let members loose as ministers. Or would you like to be wed by someone who nobody knows anything about? Trust is as important for this issue as it is for the Jedi.

And if that is still a problem no one is stopping anyone here to take their own private oath, enjoying the benefits of our introductorary training, and interacting on our forums.

Thank you for your feedback Jon -

Your challenges as an Internet-based clergy/religion are noted and appreciated. Your statement regarding private oaths and taking the introductory training is understood.

I think what needs to be said and said respectfully, is that your concerns cut both ways. From an outsider's perspective there's no guarantee that once signed up we're not associating with people that you're trying to avoid.

Personally, I'm attracted to studying the concept of a living force. I'm not interested in being socially/professionally outcast by the opportunity. Your site offers a different approach to tenets of Buddhism, Paganism, and the exotic aspects of Judeo-Christian religions that I'm interested in for scholarly reasons. I think I'll always be an Agnostic, but your movement intrigues me.

My application is in sans phone information. I'll reach out via PM with my case.

Best,
Tatsujin.

OK - when I 'took the oath' I had the same (and still do) concerns about 'privacy' in terms of google etc and my name.

Therefore (and Im 99% sure we can still do this) that I tool the oath in the forum as per usual and only gave the first letter of my surname - but gave the full name etc to the senior council (as was at the time)

A problem is only such if you let it be

MTFBWY - A

Just to add Grand Master Kana, members have also the opportunity and obligation if rank or ministry is required, to fill out the application (which remains a private document). Thing is if we cannot follow who we are dealing with there is no rank and no ordination or licencing.

yup - the apps (as in the filling of the questionnaire style document) is mainly a requirement of the state of texas and totjo has legal obligations under state law as well as national USA laws.

These applications are only available to (at last count) 3 members here and of course - if asked to do so - we must surrender the info to various law and government agencies. Otherwise - this info is kept on a separate secure server - certainly not in view of ANY search engines etc and is covered by international law in regard to data protection.

But to submit a false/fake/not 100% truthful application immediately invalidates it and could be open to legal action. If such a false app is uncovered at a later date - any and all ranks, titles, clerical etc 'awards' will also be invalid effective immediately.

MTFBWY - A

i remember that app...i filled it out a while back...i always make sure to read everything before i put down any info..simply good practice to do so